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SFREDSKIN
09-18-2021, 01:41 AM
Of our three who has played the worst over these first 2 games? To me it seems Jackson has been the biggest liability which is concerning as he was supposed to be the best of the three.

Agree, William Jackson so far has shown me nothing worth the $$$ he’s getting. People can say Moreland wouldn’t be a factor if he was here, well he made some key plays in different games during the stretch last year. He didn’t play last weekend after he joined the Texans right before their first game.

FrenchSkin
09-18-2021, 02:18 AM
One thing I thought I had seen live and can confirm with the All 22 is they played a bit of 5-1-5 personnel.
I actually thought JDR tried some different things to bring pressure, Lb and DB blitzes, 5 man front... execution wasn't there.

FrenchSkin
09-18-2021, 02:36 AM
Compiling good plays from our DL, there are actually quite a lot.
In the meanwhile, here is a random example of how bad LB play can make your DBs look bad.
You watch this live and go "uh Fuller is playing too soft!". But he has the deep, it's a matter of our LBs, here Holcomb, not taking enough depth, and opening the window for the throw. From the endzone view you see it's a matter of a few inches, so a few yards up the field and it's a way more difficult throw to make.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/nZQ532NgEnOp1UwTkH/giphy.gif

EdmundDorf
09-18-2021, 04:33 AM
One thing with WJ3, and it is sonething that drives me mad. Ron has spoken frequently over the offseason about teaching WJ3 to play the position differently. It drives me nuts when a team pays a top free agent and then starts changing their technique, the very technique that got them noticed and paid in the first place. If you are going to sign a big name free agent, let him play in a way that made you give him all that money. If his style doesn't fit your scheme don't sign him. When Ron started saying this it really started to make me worry about WJ3.

One other thing, as Bostic is clearly the main culprit in coverage breakdowns, the other players have to be aware of this too, after all they study the film more than we do (I hope). I wonder whether sometimes Holcomb and co are keeping one eye on Bostics zone vecause they know he needs help and as a result not fully focusing on their assignment. On the busted coverage against the Giants Landon Collins came up to cover the TE when he should have been taking Slayton deep from WJ3, itself a questionable play call given Collins limitations.

FrenchSkin
09-18-2021, 06:17 AM
Here's a compilation I made of good plays by this DL (https://twitter.com/RobinBarde/status/1439154279768465408). Too long to upload in gifs. Yes we need them to produce more, but they still made quite a lot of plays.
There's only so much they can do if guys are running wide open behind them...
Included a couple of example of good pressure but pass still completed because of bad coverage and/or really good throw.

FrenchSkin
09-18-2021, 06:19 AM
Here's the dropped TD, definitely looks like Landon Collins had the deep center... but WJ3 still has the deep right so I don't understand why he slowed down.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/DLnF3XxxFW3WIAM0Y2/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611fa507ee076ea3bdf02f7204b2468 d42df79ff64a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

EdmundDorf
09-18-2021, 06:37 AM
How does JDR run a a scheme that requires Landon Collins, a classic box safety, have deep coverage responsibilty?

Chico23231
09-18-2021, 07:50 AM
Here's the dropped TD, definitely looks like Landon Collins had the deep center... but WJ3 still has the deep right so I don't understand slowdown.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/DLnF3XxxFW3WIAM0Y2/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611fa507ee076ea3bdf02f7204b2468 d42df79ff64a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

How is this happening? This scheme isn’t new.

AnonEmouse
09-18-2021, 10:25 AM
How is this happening? This scheme isn’t new.

It looks to me like poor communication, but if it happens again, that's on JDR. It looks like C2 the way WJ3 reacts, but if so why Collins came short is beyond me. If it's 2 man under, then both Collins and WJ3 screwed up. It's more likely to be Robber, but then WJ3 should be staying with the deep receiver and Collins shouldn't come up. Hence why I think its communication; one (both?) of them got the play wrong or they didn't communicate with each other to confirm the coverage responsibilities.

Defensewins
09-18-2021, 11:10 AM
It is still early and I trust THIS coaching staff to fix/coach the shit out it.
After giving it some thought two things stand out:
1) Rookies and new players in key positions. They need time to adjust. However I know this staff will bench but not give up anyone that takes too long to develop. That is good.
2) #26. I do not like him. Expensive and one dimensional. If his cap cut number wasn’t so high he would be gone. Why would we want a safety that is not very good in coverage? We need to develop his replacement now or move Curl to SS and bring in another FS. #26 will be gone next year unless he take a big pay cut. He is a liability.

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