Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

For those on here getting confused about what anyone is trying to say, Ill leave this for you.
There is absolutely no science that says the vaccination is bad. There is all the science in the world that says it is safe and effective.
The only way to stop the virus from mutating into something even deadlier is to get your vaccine.

“Get the vaccine if you want it” and “this virus is going to mutate either way” is one part bad advice, and one part misinformation because it is false and inaccurate, the virus can only mutate if kept alive by the unvaccinated.

You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.

You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.


Yes I am wrong. Science is wrong. Doctors are wrong. Schneed and several others who have tried to reason with you are wrong. You are right. Gotcha.

VACCINES WILL PREVENT VIRUSES FROM MUTATING BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO MUTATE IN IF WE ARE ALL VACCINATED. WOW. Does anyone have a brick wall i can borrow to bang my head against. It would be easier. Nobody is twisting your words Chief. I’ve done plenty of homework. Never said you told people not to get the vaccine so you stop putting words in my mouth. I said “telling people get the vaccine if you feel like it is bad advice. Ill allow you the last word here if you would like. I tried. There is nothing else to say or any other way to say it that will help you understand so,….

Here you go Chief, some simple homework. Pay close attention to the last paragraph entitled bottom line.

https://www.nationaljewish.org/patients-visitors/patient-info/important-updates/coronavirus-information-and-resources/covid-19-vaccines/vaccine-articles/covid-19-variants-vaccines-why-does-a-virus-mutate

If you have information that says otherwise please feel free to share it with group, but I doubt there is any because there is only one correct answer about vaccinations and mutations.

I have copied and pasted the most important part of the paragraph below for you.

“The vaccines work well against the virus and variants. New strains can be stopped by widespread vaccination”

Here is another one. You are correct about vaccines causing viruses to mutate. The virus will try its best to beat the vaccine. The problem with your point, Chief, is this is why it is not only important to get vaccinated but to get vaccinated quickly. You have done some homework no doubt, but not enough. If you keep reading about it you will understand what I am trying to tell you. Here is another article and I copy and pasted the important part again for you.

https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8


The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variants.”

Here you go Chief, some simple homework. Pay close attention to the last paragraph entitled bottom line.

https://www.nationaljewish.org/patients-visitors/patient-info/important-updates/coronavirus-information-and-resources/covid-19-vaccines/vaccine-articles/covid-19-variants-vaccines-why-does-a-virus-mutate

If you have information that says otherwise please feel free to share it with group, but I doubt there is any because there is only one correct answer about vaccinations and mutations.

I have copied and pasted the most important part of the paragraph below for you.

“The vaccines work well against the virus and variants. New strains can be stopped by widespread vaccination”

You should have put the full quote -
Bottom Line:
The vaccines work well against the virus and variants. New strains can be stopped by widespread vaccination. This has been shown in Israel where some 54% of the population has been vaccinated, positive virus test rates are just 0.2% and the economy has reopened.
So widespread vaccination does not equal 100% vaccination, in fact for the article's purpose widespread vaccination meant 54%, or just over half. As a country we are currently at 51.5% fully vaccinated, with atleast 60% having 1 dose.

And Schneed, you self-admittedly work in an environment where you are daily deluged with the worst of the virus, and that work is greatly appreciated. It clearly has given you a very jaded eye toward the COVID pandemic, and that is understandable. But it's not everyone's experience, and in fact in a bell curve environment you would be at the extreme tail.

Sports players would clearly fall in the other extreme of that tail. They are extremely fit, mostly not in the high or even moderate risk category for having extreme COVID symptoms, and throughout their life they have likely been in peak physical health.

Yes I am wrong. Science is wrong. Doctors are wrong. Schneed and several others who have tried to reason with you are wrong. You are right. Gotcha.

VACCINES WILL PREVENT VIRUSES FROM MUTATING BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO MUTATE IN IF WE ARE ALL VACCINATED. WOW. Does anyone have a brick wall i can borrow to bang my head against. It would be easier. Nobody is twisting your words Chief. I’ve done plenty of homework. Never said you told people not to get the vaccine so you stop putting words in my mouth. I said “telling people get the vaccine if you feel like it is bad advice. Ill allow you the last word here if you would like. I tried. There is nothing else to say or any other way to say it that will help you understand so,….

LOL

Shout all you want - YOU are wrong. I never said science is wrong or doctors are wrong. I actually said listen to your doctor. LOL

I feel like maybe you have banged your head on too many brick walls already, that might be the problem here.

Look, the creation of a vaccine for any new virus can cause additional mutations, AND the virus will also randomly mutate on its own as long as people continue to get infected (and both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are still getting infected).

Even Schneed10 understands what I'm saying here. His words:

"The one piece you said that made any sense was that the introduction of vaccines can result in mutations of the virus. True - it's like whack-a-mole, beat one variant down with a vaccine, and another will emerge...variants will also emerge through random mutation, the chances for which increase as the number of infected rise."

Vaccines can definitely slow the process, but I'm a realist. We're never going to get to 100% vaccination. Hell, about 20% of the world's population isn't even eligible for this emergency use vaccine. So, unless you plan to lock your kids in a closet for the foreseeable future, this virus will randomly mutate.

Will we ultimately get through this without a 100% vaccinate rate? I believe so.

Will more people die? Yes.

If you get the vaccine are you guaranteed not to get the virus or spread it? No.

Do you have a better chance of not dying from or spreading the virus if you get the vaccine? Yes.

Here is another one. You are correct about vaccines causing viruses to mutate. The virus will try its best to beat the vaccine. The problem with your point, Chief, is this is why it is not only important to get vaccinated but to get vaccinated quickly. You have done some homework no doubt, but not enough. If you keep reading about it you will understand what I am trying to tell you. Here is another article and I copy and pasted the important part again for you.

https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8


The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variants.”

I actually posted that article yesterday.

You should have put the full quote -

So widespread vaccination does not equal 100% vaccination, in fact for the article's purpose widespread vaccination meant 54%, or just over half. As a country we are currently at 51.5% fully vaccinated, with atleast 60% having 1 dose.

And Schneed, you self-admittedly work in an environment where you are daily deluged with the worst of the virus, and that work is greatly appreciated. It clearly has given you a very jaded eye toward the COVID pandemic, and that is understandable. But it's not everyone's experience, and in fact in a bell curve environment you would be at the extreme tail.

Sports players would clearly fall in the other extreme of that tail. They are extremely fit, mostly not in the high or even moderate risk category for having extreme COVID symptoms, and throughout their life they have likely been in peak physical health.


Oh come on C Red - it is a simple numbers game. If we are seeing progress at 54 % than obviously 100 % would be complete and total victory against the virus. Unless, again, the virus mutates into something stronger because we are not getting vaccinated fast enough.

As far as me putting the full quote- I included the entire article.

I actually posted that article yesterday.


You may have posted it but you obviously only read that first blurb that seemed to back you up. If you read further it explains exactly what I am saying. Widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations. Which is the total opposite of what you said.

The bottom line here Chief and C red is the more people get vaccinated and the quicker they get vaccinated the sooner the world goes back to normal.

If you want to argue that point go ahead. But than you are contributing to the problem in a way. You are basically saying “everyone isn’t gonna get the shot so why should it matter if I do”. Before you tell me im putting words in your mouth Chief carefully read your last post. You said exactly that.

Seems like everyone is in agreement that the vaccine would work if enough people get it so how in the hell am I hearing a defense of saying “get it if you want it”? How? This is just arguing to argue.

I go back to my world is on fire and everyone is given a fire extinguisher. If everyone used it the fire would ho out BUT people start saying “you can’t make me use this” and “use it if you want to”. Im sorry guys but I am confused by whatever point it is you are trying to make. Enjoy your day fellas.