The 2nd Amendment Thread

another idiot with a gun playing hero

Yup, a black one , so it will be interesting to see what the extreme right wing 2nd amendment wingnuts have to say about this. If he was white it would be cut and dry. He was the victim. Now?

The little girl that lost her life is just heartbreaking. Hope the guy spends his life in jail. Hope the little girls life was worth whatever cash he was taking out of the atm.

I heard the family is suing Chase Bank hopefully they sue the douche bag too

Can't figure out your angle.

Are you saying this was a BLM-sanctioned attempted hit on a politician?

Or are you pro-gun control so we can keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill people?

I don’t know about the mentally ill, but brainwashed to the point he is out in the streets committing political violence.

I heard the family is suing Chase Bank hopefully they sue the douche bag too

Douche bag doesnt have money unless he owns a 1M plus house with a 1M insurance umbrella.

Banks, stores, bars have commercial insurance policies but usually are not liable for damages caused by 3rd parties, especially criminal acts by 3rd parties ... unless you can show (1) the bank owner knew or should have known that a robbery was foreseeable (2) bc of a pattern and practice of robberies on their property, and (3) owner had time but failed to avail themselves to remedies like more security, better lighting, cameras etc and (4) a reasonable owner would have done something.


(seems like lots of concealed carry or open carry gone wrong last month or so. road rage ends up with legal gun carries pulling out their guns .. this ATM story is a bit different)

Douche bag doesnt have money unless he owns a 1M plus house with a 1M insurance umbrella.

Banks, stores, bars have commercial insurance policies but usually are not liable for damages caused by 3rd parties, especially criminal acts by 3rd parties ... unless you can show (1) the bank owner knew or should have known that a robbery was foreseeable (2) bc of a pattern and practice of robberies on their property, and (3) owner had time but failed to avail themselves to remedies like more security, better lighting, cameras etc and (4) a reasonable owner would have done something.


(seems like lots of concealed carry or open carry gone wrong last month or so. road rage ends up with legal gun carries pulling out their guns .. this ATM story is a bit different)

So is it standard practice to sue businesses in this instance? I confess ignorance on this topic.

So is it standard practice to sue businesses in this instance? I confess ignorance on this topic.

Standard practice to try and find the biggest pocket possible. Most of us private citizens are judgment proof, you could get a 1M judgment against me but would have to wait for me to win the lottery to collect.

You have to try and attach liability to one of the commercial parties and you (1) build up the "pattern and practice of robberies" narrative; then (2) sue the bank, property owner, security company, city, state, county, police department ...

A bank, property owner usually have an indemnification agreement so they are repped by the same firm. Here they will probably sue over 20 named defendants but only deal with maybe 2 defense attorneys.

Typically the law does not like making someone responsible for the actions of a third party, especially criminal acts, and this proving of a pattern and practice of violent crime rising to the level the bank or property owner are liable is very high and hard.

But, I imagine there is some type of crime near any given block of an urban city to try and argue "pattern and practice" but good luck, its hard.

I don’t know about the mentally ill, but brainwashed to the point he is out in the streets committing political violence.


Imagine if he got like 10,000 friends of his that were all brainwashed by some big lie and they, oh I don’t know, stormed the Capitol or something. Thank God there are not large amounts of people brainwashed by some guy, committing political violence on that big of a scale.

If only you had the same disdain for them as you do for him…..
If only the guns and weapons those THOUSANDS of people brainwashed by a lie that they killed cops, and tried to kill politicians with worried you to this extent.

Your condemnation of Jan 6 was so GOP-ish, like ok i gotta say that was wrong and move on.
This guy though gets your full attention and worries you. I can’t wrap my head around that.

I heard the family is suing Chase Bank hopefully they sue the douche bag too


Apparently that Chase bank was the scene of some recent crimes involving that same ATM, and Chase made no fix.

Houston is a certified shithole.

What a shitty story.

Involuntary manslaughter has to be the minimum here (if no basic facts change).