With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

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Scalper
04-23-2021, 02:42 AM
I heard the same thing. They talked about it at length the other day on SiriusXM NFL Radio, one incident was in high school. Another was alleged with a civil suit against his college by a former teammate (safety) but he was not named directly in the suit. The other issue was some comments made on social media while being recruited by Ohio State and they wound up ghosting him. A couple of people I have heard have couches for his character and said his issues were in high school when he was younger.

You don't magically become a fundamentally different person in college. You don't win drafting criminals, period. Maybe it never becomes an issue, but not worth the risk. We just cut wasted 2nd round pick (Guice), plus Dunbar and others, you don't take those risks with 1st round picks.

Scalper
04-23-2021, 03:44 AM
Scalper, tell me who the franchise LT is at 19

I'm not a professional scout, LOL.
I think Sewell long gone. Darrisaw viewed as equal good pass run blocker, Slater as better pure pass blocker, but both very good. I'd be happy with either. Most pundits have those as the big-3 tackles, top 3, with dropoff to next tier. Whether that is accurate I cannot say. Then you have about 8 tackles with 2nd round grades. A couple are certainly going to pan out better than others, but which ones? Different people have different opinions. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on LT to get elite run blocker, it is a high leverage position because it protects your QB from the Chase Youngs of the world. I also don't want to spend that pick on a player we slide to G permanently (the Scherff problem of owing a G $20M end of rookie deal, McL drafted him saying he's a T). I want the best pass protector, and one that is elite.

If you have the next 8 tackles all rated about same, no reason you couldn't trade down and still get franchise LT. You could also trade end of 1st round and pick non-5 QB you like to make sure you get him.

Leatherwood viewed as dominant run blocker first. So is Jenkins. Cosmi played both Ts, prefer someone who was strictly LT (flashed athleticism to be unequivocal LT). Eichenberg and Tucker short arms, many project to G. We don't need at G at 19. Tucker some list as 4th T and in group with the top-3 going top-20. Carman not dominant pass blocker. Eichenberg seems more like RT. And so forth. Radunz they talk about at G, but seems like could play T, but like him better 2nd round. Little bit of x-factor. Tucker, if you believe he's a LT, seems more like end of 1st round pick. I only see three players that unequivocally make sense at LT at 19, Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, but most think all three gone by 19. If you assume all 5 QBs gone, plus Pitts Chase, that is 10 picks. Parsons should be off your board for character flag, but hopefully someone takes him first, 11 picks. Then you figure couple edge rushers, couple more WRs, takes you to 15. Figure 2 corners, 17. At 19 you might BPA be looking at a corner, Farley or Horn. Maybe DL or Moehrig gets taken before us, maybe not. Think some good WRs could be there also, but I get feeling based on signing basically NO ONE at LB in FA, that we will go LB early in draft if not 1st round.

I don't love TOK. He's a playmaker, but he's basically a S at LB. Going to take a beating in NFL being so light, not unprecedented, and you could do worse, would certainly end some of torching in coverage, but I see big RBs running outside a lot with him there and getting big gains. . . You still have to rate him higher than most of the second tier LTs though.

I would rather take a CB or WR at #19 if BPA, we can't tie up any more major money at either position in FA for several years except to extend McL, so having guys on rookie deal not dumb, and can extend after Samuel or Jackson deals expire. That is probably smartest LONG TERM move, fill one of 5 high leverage positions and lock it up long term, assuming player you are picking scouts out as 10 year starter. We could, in particular, use a third CB, and Fuller much better in slot, to say nothing of nickel, injury, etc.

It sucks such thin draft for FS at top.

I basically don't love anyone available when we pick, barring QB or LT falling, one of top ones. If you are determined to fill need at LB with LT and QB not available (2 high leverage positions), rather than going BPA which is probably WR or CB, then I would trade back to late 1st early second, pickup 2-3 add'l picks, and draft one of second-tier LTs or a LB or QB. How much better is JOK than Cox or Davis? If you could trade back to say 45 and add a 2nd round pick, and get Cox or Davis instead of JOK and a LT or QB, do you? I do. Simply because bust rate is 50%, you add two more picks, you get 1 more non-bust. We have been basically adding 3 starters and 1 solid backup per draft, with about 8 picks or so, recently. I would trade back and try and make that 5 starters and 2 solid backups, to continue filling out our roster.

That being said, I would not be surprised to see FO take JOK and fill biggest need that can be filled (there being no FS, QB, LT, etc.). If lots of players we like are gone early, trade down offers limited, and good value trade up, I could also see them moving to 10 or 14 or so and drafting QB. Whatever they will do, what I would do is trade down every time I could. I would call all 31 teams for every pick, field all trade down offers, and take any reasonable offer I could get, with emphasis on (1) pick this year's draft, (1) add'l pick this years draft and (1) pick next year's draft. I would gladly trade a 2nd for a 3rd and 4th this year and a 3rd next year, for example. I'd do that 5 times if I could. Then you have 3 3rds and a 4th this year, I'd trade a 3rd for a 4th, 5th this year, plus a 4th next year (you'd really need one other pick to make sense), and so forth. You basically bump every pick down a round to pick up 1 add'l pick minimum, ideally 2 add'l and one next year. You then have 4-5 more picks this year, 3-4 more next year, for what in aggregate represents surrendering 2nd round pick, though I'd trade 1st as well. This again reflects philosophy that more lottery tickets better. I would do this every year until we have 10 picks per year minimum 3 years out, and until entire roster rounded out without having to sign 10 guys in FA every year. Only exceptions are franchise LT and franchise QB.

Many teams placing big premium on future picks this year, however, because COVID has so many players not playing who may never regain their peak form.

Scalper
04-23-2021, 03:53 AM
If Parsons is there, I could see FO taking him despite character flags, while offering usual platitudes about having done their HW on him, etc.

I think we need a true thumper in middle more than anything else, even coverage LB, but you don't have to spend a super-high pick on one.

skinsfaninok
04-23-2021, 09:45 AM
There is some talk that if SF doesn't take Fields , he will slide to the teens

MTK
04-23-2021, 09:49 AM
There is some talk that if SF doesn't take Fields , he will slide to the teens

If that happens I doubt he'd get past NE

skinsfaninok
04-23-2021, 09:50 AM
If that happens I doubt he'd get past NE

I'd imagine they will select him but then again BB loves to shock everyone

MTK
04-23-2021, 09:52 AM
If Parsons is there, I could see FO taking him despite character flags, while offering usual platitudes about having done their HW on him, etc.

I think we need a true thumper in middle more than anything else, even coverage LB, but you don't have to spend a super-high pick on one.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's off their board completely due to the red flags. Ron has been all in on culture since day 1. And this is probably the one team in the league right now that can't afford any more PR hits. The talent is very enticing though.

Chico23231
04-23-2021, 09:55 AM
Trey Lance

Man...I don’t think he is that good.

Lance weapon is his legs and his competition wasn’t even d1. He will not be able to take on nfl defenses like that...that guy loves to lower his shoulder.

This could be an RG3 type mistake and one we shouldn’t take.

Give me mond, mills, or trask later..do not throw away picks and set the franchise back again for Lance.

If they do, this new brain trust losses credit immediately. It should effectively cost jobs when it fails.

KI Skins Fan
04-23-2021, 10:12 AM
Prior to the draft when Jonathan Allen fell to us I didn't even have him on my list of prospective Redskins draft picks because I thought there was no way he could fall that far. Since then I learned not to assume that such things can't happen in the NFL Draft. Practically anything can happen.

Nevertheless, as for RR overlooking character red flags, I highly doubt that will happen because of how he has handled such issues in the past. Also, he has repeatedly made it plain that he intends to create a culture change on the WFT.

Chico23231
04-23-2021, 10:17 AM
Gonna be completely honest, I really didn’t see much of a character issue with Parsons.

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