Fresh Start Political Thread

The guy who we cannot mention by name because he is suddenly irrelevant (yeah sure) spent 2 T on tax cuts for the super rich but there is outrage on a possible 2T bill that would actually benefit all Americans. Laughable.
Unless you are a multi millionaire and you stand behind today’s GOP you might as well just wake up every day, punch yourself in the face repeatedly, and go back to sleep.

If the proposal was 3t then your post would say spent 3T on tax cuts, if it was 10T then your post would say 10t on tax cuts. Your playing games here with the facts - It was 1.5t in tax cuts. Oh and tax cuts aren't spending and never have been. Tax cuts are going to be off set with increased revenue receipts, spending isn't. As is usually the case the 2017 tax cuts exceeded CBO projections on tax receipts (ie the actual cost was lower than projected thru 2019) and underperformed Republican projections on them. Oh and when if comes to CBO projections on spending effects the actual costs usually exceed their projections (Their assessment of Obamacare being a perfect example of this).

Spending is the issue that never seems to be addressed. BTW Trump was just as bad as a Dem when it came to spending (Guess because in my book he really is a Dem at heart). Spending has it's place but spending like the Greeks recently did doesn't and will lead to disaster.

If the proposal was 3t then your post would say spent 3T on tax cuts, if it was 10T then your post would say 10t on tax cuts. Your playing games here with the facts - It was 1.5t in tax cuts. Oh and tax cuts aren't spending and never have been. Tax cuts are going to be off set with increased revenue receipts, spending isn't. As is usually the case the 2017 tax cuts exceeded CBO projections on tax receipts (ie the actual cost was lower than projected thru 2019) and underperformed Republican projections on them. Oh and when if comes to CBO projections on spending effects the actual costs usually exceed their projections (Their assessment of Obamacare being a perfect example of this).

Spending is the issue that never seems to be addressed. BTW Trump was just as bad as a Dem when it came to spending (Guess because in my book he really is a Dem at heart). Spending has it's place but spending like the Greeks recently did doesn't and will lead to disaster.

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This times 100. This is why I finally gave up and left the republican party. I thought maybe someone that wasn't a lifetime politician would come in and reduce spending. But nope, Trump spent like a drunk sailor too. Of course counting on a guy with approximately 1012 bankruptcy filings was probably nothing more than wishful thinking, at best, on my part.

It's just spend, spend, spend, spend, yearly deficits, yearly deficits, yearly deficits, increased debt, increased debt, increased debt, increased debt.

It's a fucking joke. The democrats answer is never to decrease spending, it's always to increase taxes. Other people's money is not yours or the governments, its theirs. If they have more than you, that doesn't make it yours or the governments money, it's still all theirs. Stop acting like tax cuts is stealing from you personally. It's a hater mentality in my expressed written opinion.

Note - I make $57,200/year, aka poor in California, so rich people getting tax cuts, isn't something that benefits me directly. I just don't support high taxes on anyone, don't care what your income is. It's legalized theft. You want to talk about a grift. Especially when it's used to fund unlimited government spending.

If I was President, we would all get tax cuts, and lower class/poor Americans wouldn't pay any federal taxes.

Republicans talk about spending cuts, but never ever actually try for them. So they are full of shit. It's just tax cuts and blame democrats. Never any real proposals they put out there that they all get behind to push for real spending cuts.

So it's just the same ole same old. And they all get reelected forever for doing nothing, and eventually can even become president.

Pass a balanced budget you assholes. Just try it once and see how it feels. Kinda like just the tip.

Also, shame on Republicans for not proposing any bills for term limits. This should be done time after time after time. But nope, they are in it for themselves.

The 2T transportation bill would not increase any personal income tax and "the revenue generated from the bill would pay for itself in 15 years".

I quoted the "pay for itself" part bc I just dont believe that. Not when Trump said it re his tax cuts and not now when Biden says it re this bill.

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One good thing about trying to pass bills through reconciliation .. .it cant be over 1.5T and cant have any "debt" after 10 years. If my understanding is correct.

SD I'm just gonna drop these here.

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Republicans only preach fiscal responsibility when Dems are in power. Frankly, the hypocrisy means I can only care to an extent about the rising deficit because the alternative is everything gets cut and Dems lose power in the next election because they didn't do shit.

I don't care what the number is (I think we can all agree it won't be 6t) as long as an infrastructure bill gets passed. The alternative is our crumbling infrastructure gets worse and we have to spend more on emergency repairs.

SD I'm just gonna drop these here.

Republicans only preach fiscal responsibility when Dems are in power. Frankly, the hypocrisy means I can only care to an extent about the rising deficit because the alternative is everything gets cut and Dems lose power in the next election because they didn't do shit.

I don't care what the number is (I think we can all agree it won't be 6t) as long as an infrastructure bill gets passed. The alternative is our crumbling infrastructure gets worse and we have to spend more on emergency repairs.

I don't disagree with you. I think my above post reflects that. If I wasn't clear enough that they are full of shit on spending, REPUBLICANS ARE FULL OF SHIT ON SPENDING!

I wasn't just discussing this transportation bill specifically, moreso of spending in general in at minimum, my adult life (I'm 38). Although this bill reads more like a green new deal with some infrastructure money added in so it will get votes, and if you don't agree with the bill, you hate America's roads.

I'm all for spending money on freeways, roads, and bridges. Internet too. As Sunny pointed out, this bill spends more on boosting the electric vehicle market than it does on roads. Maybe fix the roads 1st before worrying about what is driving on them.

Give me a 2 trillion bill like this:

1.25 trillion to repair and rebuild bridges, highways and roads;
.25 trillion to expand high-speed broadband across the entire country;
.25 trillion to expand and improve power lines and spur a shift to clean energy; and
.25 trillion to reconnect urban neighborhoods cut off, bulldozed and blighted by highways planned and built with little to no regard for the people who lived along their routes.

And I'd be way more supportive.

Really I think you can cut it down to 1.5 trillion or less by pro-rating each of above accordingly.

I don't disagree with you. I think my above post reflects that. If I wasn't clear enough that they are full of shit on spending, REPUBLICANS ARE FULL OF SHIT ON SPENDING!

I wasn't just discussing this transportation bill specifically, moreso of spending in general in at minimum, my adult life (I'm 38). Although this bill reads more like a green new deal with some infrastructure money added in so it will get votes, and if you don't agree with the bill, you hate America's roads.

I'm all for spending money on freeways, roads, and bridges. Internet too. As Sunny pointed out, this bill spends more on boosting the electric vehicle market than it does on roads. Maybe fix the roads 1st before worrying about what is driving on them.

Give me a 2 trillion bill like this:

1.25 trillion to repair and rebuild bridges, highways and roads;
.25 trillion to expand high-speed broadband across the entire country;
.25 trillion to expand and improve power lines and spur a shift to clean energy; and
.25 trillion to reconnect urban neighborhoods cut off, bulldozed and blighted by highways planned and built with little to no regard for the people who lived along their routes.

And I'd be way more supportive.

Really I think you can cut it down to 1.5 trillion or less by pro-rating each of above accordingly.

I wouldn't disagree with you on your budget for the bill. The only problem I have is how much gov't money has been given to telecom providers to expand internet access in the last 30 years, but we never enforced it so they swindled the gov't and the taxpayers by not building it up to where it should be today. But that's a discussion for another day. Overall I agree with the majority of your post.

I wouldn't disagree with you on your budget for the bill. The only problem I have is how much gov't money has been given to telecom providers to expand internet access in the last 30 years, but we never enforced it so they swindled the gov't and the taxpayers by not building it up to where it should be today. But that's a discussion for another day. Overall I agree with the majority of your post.

Government oversight in general is piss-fucking-poor all around in ensuring that tax money is spent properly on what it was designed for. It's absolutely pathetic. But it's not their money, so they don't care. Not to include any kickbacks they get from those companies.

Cheers.

That's my political posting for the day. Unless I have beer later tonight if work sucks lol.

The smartest money the government would ever spend would bring in outside 3rd party auditor and go through one area at a time. And then prioritize lean strategy with outside consultation

If the proposal was 3t then your post would say spent 3T on tax cuts, if it was 10T then your post would say 10t on tax cuts. Your playing games here with the facts - It was 1.5t in tax cuts. Oh and tax cuts aren't spending and never have been. Tax cuts are going to be off set with increased revenue receipts, spending isn't. As is usually the case the 2017 tax cuts exceeded CBO projections on tax receipts (ie the actual cost was lower than projected thru 2019) and underperformed Republican projections on them. Oh and when if comes to CBO projections on spending effects the actual costs usually exceed their projections (Their assessment of Obamacare being a perfect example of this).

Spending is the issue that never seems to be addressed. BTW Trump was just as bad as a Dem when it came to spending (Guess because in my book he really is a Dem at heart). Spending has it's place but spending like the Greeks recently did doesn't and will lead to disaster.


It was 1.9 , or 2 so no, im not playing games with the facts but ill let you and SD get back to your little thing you got going on.

On paper it was 1.5T bc it had to be for reconciliation, but if the personal tax cut was made permanent it would be 2T.

The more I read about reconciliation, the more I dont think the Dems can pass a 2T reconciliaton bill for 2021.

1. Congress already used their once a year reconciliation bill for Covid relief. Opinion - Rs made them have to do it bc Rs played politics re covid relief when Ds didnt during tranvestite trumps term.

2. Doesnt it have to be limited to 1.5T? The covid bill was 1.9T passed under reconciliation so I really dont know, seems like a cap is sometimes applied. If so, they could pass a bipartisan bill then use a D only reconciliation bill to cover what they wanted that was left out.

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We will have a transportation bill. Most likely less than 1.5T.