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MissouriSkin 06-25-2021, 12:52 PM Ryp won 1 No, he was a member of the 1987 team. Look at the guy in the Redskins sweater next to Gibbs signaling in the plays. He was on IR. MTK 06-25-2021, 12:52 PM No, he was a member of the 1987 team. Look at the guy in the Redskins sweater next to Gibbs signaling in the plays. He was on IR. I meant he won 1 SB MVP MissouriSkin 06-25-2021, 12:54 PM I meant he won 1 SB MVP Sorry my bad. punch it in 06-25-2021, 06:41 PM So when you say career numbers are you talking about regular season only? Because the postseason counts too when talking about a career resume. And fair or not it's going to be weighed more heavily especially when you win 2. Everyone knows Marino was a brilliant QB who was stuck on mostly mediocre teams. And everyone knows Dilfer was a terrible QB who played with one of the best all time defenses. There's context to everything. Absolutely post season numbers need to be and should be considered. You cant take away those games, but playing postseason games normally means you have a good coach, gm, owner, defense, weapons, etc. So guys like Marino, Stafford, etc are just unfortunate they were drafted by who they were drafted by. What Im saying is you cannot simply say “eli won two super bowl mvp’s he is definitely in”. That is nonsense. Yes absolutely context to everything. At the end of the day I think HOF careers rise to the surface regardless of championships or situations. My comments were really focused on Elis situation. There is no way he is even in the conversation if he played on a team like Marino. skinsfan69 06-26-2021, 01:48 PM lol can't compare Namath to QBs of today, he played when the passing game was in the dinosaur age. Exactly. Throwing for 4,000 + yards in the 60's was a serious accomplishment. Giantone 06-26-2021, 04:29 PM And everyone knows that the Giants defense was the reason those Super Bowls were won so that context matters too. Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli. Player GWD Years Eli Manning 37 2004-2019 Warren Moon+ 35 1984-2000 Carson Palmer 35 2004-2017 Philip Rivers 35 2004-2020 How many comeback wins Leaders Player 4QC Years Eli Manning 27 2004-2019 Joe Montana+ 26 1979-1994 Warren Moon+ 25 1984-2000 Drew Bledsoe 24 1993-2006 MissouriSkin 06-26-2021, 04:33 PM Part of the reason yes ,so was Eli. Sorry, they scored 17 and 21 points in those games. They were won by the defense. Giantone 06-26-2021, 04:38 PM Sorry, they scored 17 and 21 points in those games. They were won by the defense. Did they score more than the other team ,yes, Eli did that. Giantone 06-26-2021, 04:43 PM https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/13/new-york-giants-eli-manning-4-war-season-2011/ PFF data: Giants QB Eli Manning had a '4 WAR' season in 2011 JPPT1974 06-26-2021, 09:28 PM Yeah as really a great season for young Eli there! | |
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