WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

You forgot to mention signing Alex Smith to a big $ extension so BA could prove he can sign QBs to extensions. IMO that big $ extension was the cherry on $hit sundae.

The extension when trading for a proven qb is the status quo in the NFL. The days are gone where you trade for a quality qb and make him play out the rest of his deal before signing a new one (unless the guy just recently got a new long term deal in the last 2 years like Watson). A good qb is not going to agree to a trade with under 2 years left on his deal unless the trading team agrees to an extension too. Not to mention if you're the team trading for him, why would you not want to sign him to an extension? If you didn't believe in the guy or had doubts, why would you give up serious draft capital for them?

Yeah, they are probably a minimum of two, maybe even three years away from being a contender in that division with

Never would be a better estimate with that horrible owner at the helm.

Nothing wrong with evaluating all of the available QB’s and talking to the teams to see what they would want for them. WFT’s front office would not be doing its job if it did not explore all avenues for improvement. But we do not have to make a desperate move. Jeremy Fowler’s quote is a flawed assumption. We are not one of the NFL teams that is devoid of QB talent.
I feel like the WFT is finally in a position where we are 5 to 6 players away from being a really good team. The NFL has quickly become a league of average teams. There are little to no super teams any more due to salary cap and free agency.

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Watson was going to be wealthy regardless. You can't sign a mega deal and then turn around in less than a year and want out cause mgt doesn't consult w/ you.

If he truly wanted out and he saw warning signs then do what Cousins did.

Now Wilson is crying. Again he didn't have to sign a deal w/ Seattle. He could have played until his deal ended and then went to one year deals until it was too expensive for the team to keep him.

Wilson and Watson to me are cry babies. It ain't your job to pick players. Not your job to tell the owner what to do. Russ should give back some of his $ so Seattle can sign Trent if he wants a linemen so bad.

Cousins is brilliant and played the system to a tee. He held the team hostage. Not sure why other QB's don't do the same thing.

1. Spot on about the HOLES like Wilson and Watson.
2. Most QBs can't play the system the way Cousins did because their teams have competent or at least non-moron owners and GMs, LOL. The franchise tag is supposed to serve owners and keep best players from hitting true FA, only THE DAN could allow it to be turned against ownership, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL. Epic duncery.
3. Let Wilson continue to get pummeled. Serves him right. Like all running QBs, he is losing a step as he ages. He sees the writing on the wall. Only a matter of time until he starts getting hit more and more and gets hurt badly. This is the fate of all running QBs without exception.

Watson has earned 40Million Cash so far. The Texans aren't bankrupting him.
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I'm not going to regurgitate my previous posts.
He has less than $20M after taxes agent fees and has easily blown at least $10M. I'd bet he has less than $5M in bank or short-term liquid assets by conventional balance sheet reckon. His $30M last year included $27M signing bonus prorated at $7.xM last year, $5.4M next four years. It is not salary he collected free and clear without obligation, like normal salary, it is a bonus against future performance, which is again why him holding out is so atrocious. He sits out games holding out, team can go after him for bonus, plus fine him just under $4M a year. So if he holds out and team goes after bonus, yes he will be bankrupt very quick, as I explained previous post, especially because he can't get the taxes he paid or agent fees he paid back. Wilson shows up week 11 next year, team can go after him for $3.375M of bonus, and he only gets about $4M in salary for 30% of season, which fines approach or exceed. So next year he would earn nothing or less than $1M in salary, and owe team $3.4M in bonus. Your post looks at raw income without the qualitative factor of what form of income it was. 68% of what Watson has earned is signing bonus, and he is on hook for huge percentage of that if he holds out.

But even if he doesn't go bankrupt, he has 5-8 years of top earning potential, the owners earn forever owning the team. Every year Watson holds out he is the big loser because his window of his prime is finite and closing. Houston will let him wither on the vine holding out, just on principle. Serves the turd right for signing a huge deal and then having no loyalty. McDonald's is always hiring. :-)

I'm with you, with all the reasons to keep him, I think if one team is willing to put an absolute block-buster never seen before offer, you take it rather than dragging yourself into a lose-lose situation... Because if Deshaun starts sitting games, he'll lose money, but they'll lose trade leverage.

But that's not how billionaires think. Especially not Texans ownership. They aren't caving ever. It is about real world up yours for screwing me, not about winning on the field.

No but your odds are surely increased drafting a QB high. A Tom Brady is a once in a generation find.

I still think at the end of the day, the Redskins Twitter and Social Media base are ravenous for a fix/winner/franchise QB, but as Ron’s history has shown, he’s going to play the calculated, methodical, fiscally responsible long game and not bet the farm on big name FAs like we have been known to do in this franchise for so long. We as a fan base have been conditioned to expect splash moves and don’t know how to handle the ups and downs without it. Ron’s not ready to pull the trigger on Deshaun or trading it all in for moving up to take a top 5 QB prospect. He’s going to continue to do his homework, draft well, pick up value free agents that fit what he’s looking for and fill a need, and continue to fill out the starting roster and depth so that when it’s time, and we are ready, he can go get that QB that puts us over the top.

Yes, odds better high, but price of trading up to that spot not worth it.
And you don't have to hope for a 6th round franchise QB. There is a huge chasm of draft space between top-10 and 6th round. Lots of franchise QBs drafted late 1st round. Harder but far from impossible, especially with long term view. Sometime in the next 3 drafts a QB that turns out to be a franchise QB will be available to us in 1st or 2nd round, in historical statistical sense.

It does when you’re down several first and second round picks due to previous trades.

I disagree. Yeah they are at a disadvantage but 1st rounders miss all the time. They have the most important position taken care of.

I'm not going to regurgitate my previous posts.
He has less than $20M after taxes agent fees and has easily blown at least $10M. I'd bet he has less than $5M in bank or short-term liquid assets by conventional balance sheet reckon. His $30M last year included $27M signing bonus prorated at $7.xM last year, $5.4M next four years. It is not salary he collected free and clear without obligation, like normal salary, it is a bonus against future performance, which is again why him holding out is so atrocious. He sits out games holding out, team can go after him for bonus, plus fine him just under $4M a year. So if he holds out and team goes after bonus, yes he will be bankrupt very quick, as I explained previous post, especially because he can't get the taxes he paid or agent fees he paid back. Wilson shows up week 11 next year, team can go after him for $3.375M of bonus, and he only gets about $4M in salary for 30% of season, which fines approach or exceed. So next year he would earn nothing or less than $1M in salary, and owe team $3.4M in bonus. Your post looks at raw income without the qualitative factor of what form of income it was. 68% of what Watson has earned is signing bonus, and he is on hook for huge percentage of that if he holds out.

But even if he doesn't go bankrupt, he has 5-8 years of top earning potential, the owners earn forever owning the team. Every year Watson holds out he is the big loser because his window of his prime is finite and closing. Houston will let him wither on the vine holding out, just on principle. Serves the turd right for signing a huge deal and then having no loyalty. McDonald's is always hiring. :-)

Thank you.

I'd also like to add I kinda see Scalper's point here.

In a rational world with a rational owner, Cal McNair and Jack Easterby would realize they have an unhappy asset worth beaucoup assets, and they would open the trade market for him.

But McNair and Easterby seem to operate on Snyder/Allen lines. Are they petty enough to not even entertain offers? Yes. Will Watson sit out a year? Yes. In our situation with Trent, Snyder and co. blinked first. I think McNair and Easterby will too eventually, even if it's not this year.