WFT's Off-Season Thread


FrenchSkin
03-04-2021, 02:13 PM
Hatters gonna hat.

Awooo to that my friend

Defensewins
03-04-2021, 02:59 PM
I would consider Darrisaw or Mayfield at 19. Man, if five QBs are gone by 19 like all these mocks indicate, that will definitely push a top 10-15 player down the board and into WFT's lap.

This is definitely going to happen. BPA will get us starter quality at 19.
If we try and hammer a square peg in a round hole with a reach, we will end up with Haskins 2.0.

CRedskinsRule
03-04-2021, 03:53 PM
Hatters gonna hat.Heinecke Howlers!!!

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Chief X_Phackter
03-04-2021, 05:06 PM
It is simple, not easy, but a good GM can get it done.
It is actually pretty simple though.

1. Don't reach massively for QB in first round, take the LT, in a draft very deep with T talent. Unless you have a guy graded as a franchise QB sitting there. Or a CB if one drops that looks like shutdown corner.

2. Take a QB you like somewhere in the draft, Heinecke goes into camp as starter, draft pick Allen compete. Ideally, draft 2 QBs you like, plus stash another UDFA on practice squad. Any GM can find one QB he likes somewhere in any draft, period. If not, fire him. I'd be fine giving Heinecke a year in worst case, but would rather draft someone and have a backup plane.

3. If no CB drafted 1st 2nd round picks, I'd spend one 3rd round pick on one, the only corner on our roster I really like is Fuller, and he is much better in slot. I would not resign Darby unless on bargain, I saw him get toasted way too much and he is a health risk, we need infusion at CB.

Ideally, by end of next year's draft, we have QB,LT,CB filled with draft picks. Long term starters. That is not pipe dream BS with 7 picks first three rounds total both years. You hit just under 50% on those picks. . . Just over and 4 starters. Your FO can't do that, shitcan them.

Ideally your board would fall so high leverage positions are high on your board. Say we nab LT 1st round, reach a bit for a QB 2nd round to make sure we get one we like, get a solid #2 CB 3rd round, plus a WR 3rd round. Hit all the high-dollar high leverage positions early in draft. Won't happen, but that's the pipe dream. One or two bust, keep trying next year, etc.

Problem is, again, I think board won't fall that perfect, and we probably take a LB and maybe FS with earlier picks.

Over say a 10 year window, you should be able to spend a 1st round pick on QB,LT,WR,CB,Edge, and ideally FS,DT,C. If all or most of your 1st round picks pan out (and you don't waste them on Homer trades) you end up with a solid foundation. If your FO can't hit on say 67% of 1st round picks, 50% of 2nd round, and 33% of 3rd round, starters though not necessarily elite, then shitcan them. Over 10 years, that would be (conservatively) 6 1st round pick starters, 5 2nd round starters, 3 3rd round starters. That's 14 of 22. Yeah some won't resign, or can't afford, some won't play 10 years, but roughly.
You should be able to hit 50% of 4th-7th round picks and UDFAs, as solid role players, ST players, maybe the occasional starter like Curl. Solid role players or backups like Ismael, Settle, Io, etc. So over say 10 years, you should end up with 20 total depth players from 4th - 7th and UDFA, roughly.
So you're talking 34 players on roster per decade if you draft smart, not assuming absurd drafting prowess. Say you then average 2 extra picks per year, via trading down or comp picks (Dallas will have 3-4 this year, for example), hit at 50%, 10 more players. Now you are talking 44 players per decade, and you're approaching enough talent via draft you aren't perpetually looking at huge roster holes everywhere. Even conceding many won't resign. If you have a good FO, you hit at higher rates, modestly not massively, than these and are styling

Let's look quickly last 10 years. Super fast. 1st - 3rd round picks, we've made so many bad picks, dumb trades, hurts to think about. But we have picked reasonably high lots of times so should have. We should have had 30 picks, and as noted, netted 14 long-term starters, not all elite. 2020, 2. 2019, 2. 2018, 1. 2017, 1 (Moreau NOT a starter). 2016, 1 (counting Fuller). 2015, 1. 2014, 1. 2013, 0. 2012, 0. 2011, 1. That is 10 total. 4 more players doesn't sound like a lot, but suppose we had a starting CB, starting WR, starting LB, and one other starting OL. Or maybe QB (if pros picked QB instead of Dan, imagine, no RGIII, no Haskins, plus 2 more 1st round picks, 4 1st round picks used wisely. . .) We can then fill most holes via draft, don't have to sign many FAs, then get comp picks, etc.

Everyone on this board is so afraid of drafting but wants to piss boatloads of picks away. To all the chicken littles, you HAVE to draft well. If your FO can't find talent consistently in the draft year to year, find a FO that can, period.

Yeah, with 8 or 9 picks, we should be able to walk away with one starting-caliber LT and one viable QB prospect, and if our FO can't do it, find one that can.

Of course you have to draft well. I don't think anyone is disputing that. I think it's important to note that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it's really not necessary to belittle anyone for expressing it. Like someone said already, your opinions are not reality, they are just your opinions.

Anyway, I don't see this draft as very deep in T talent. There are maybe 5 prospects that could come in and start right away at T, maybe 3 of those have a chance to be a starting LT. The rest are developmental guys who may start eventually, guys projected to be backups at best, or guys that will probably play guard or center.

If you want a starting LT, you'd better get him in the 1st round. But I'm not sure that position is the biggest need. I'd take a tier 1 QB, LB, CB, or WR (in that order) at 19 before taking a tackle, and then I would draft a couple o-linemen with the last 7 picks.

Lucas or Charles will likely be the starting LT this year, and they will be just fine. Whoever isn't the starter will probably be the swing T. Develop a guy behind them.

SkinzWin
03-04-2021, 05:20 PM
Heinecke Howlers!!!

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Breaking: Heinicke Howlers gets their own fan end zone section for the 2021-22 season.

FrenchSkin
03-04-2021, 06:54 PM
🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺 awooooooo!

Breaking: Heinicke Howlers gets their own fan end zone section for the 2021-22 season.

Book me a suite.

AnonEmouse
03-04-2021, 08:37 PM
I don't think that's a very likely possibility. They said over and over they'd value fans input, they explained in detailed the long rebranding process that justified having a temporary name. I just don't see how they can go "meeeh you know what, that temporary name works just fine, we'll leave it at that!" next year.

And I keep thinking, if they chose a new name, some people will love it, some people will hate it, some people won't care, but over time the new identity will settle down in every one's mind as the new team's identity.
Whereas staying WFT will keep sending us back to our previous name. Which I loved, don't take me wrong, it was one of the main reasons I fell in love with this team. But I just picture people in several decades "wait, why doesn't Washington have a name like the 31 other teams?"...

This.

And has anyone given thought to having to change the name of the site if we change to something with no connection to native Americans? Won't people have the same question why it's called Warpath?...

Scalper
03-04-2021, 10:34 PM
It's very rare to find a franchise QB past the 1st round... Russell Wilson's do not fall off trees.. I'd throw Dak in that mix now too, even though he's not Elite. Also I'm not sure Tackle is that huge of an issue right now, I thought they played very well as a unit last yr.

Half of 1st round QBs picked also bust, roughly.
Also, franchise QBs have been drafted late in first round, later than where we pick. You don't need to trade up. It is obviously harder to find a good QB later in draft than in top 10, but good GMs can do it.
So the question is, if you're drafting a QB or need one, 4 QBs obviously going 1st round, which 2 will bust? History says the running QBs who have never read a D, usually but not always.
"Last year." We should be building a roster for the long term.
Our starting LT played okay but got toasted by great edge rushers, and turns 30 soon regardless. I think our OL played okay as well, but there was a big difference when we played better teams. We got toasted on edges, and big time pressure up the middle as well, including people BLOWING by Scherff.
If a franchise LT falls, absolutely draft one, because then you have one of five high leverage positions locked up a decade+. Whoever our QB ends up being, we want and elite edge protector on his blindside, period, or he'll get hurt. Also remember Lucas will want MUCH more money when his contract expires end of this year.
The short term view would say draft a MLB or WR in 1st round. The long term view would say LT,CB, maybe FS. Remember what it was like to have a guy like Williams and know the edge was ALWAYS sealed?

FrenchSkin
03-05-2021, 04:31 AM
This.

And has anyone given thought to having to change the name of the site if we change to something with no connection to native Americans? Won't people have the same question why it's called Warpath?...

The NA connection won't happen either, too risky. But I'm not sure about having to change our site's name. We're not in charge of the franchise's marketing, we're fans, we're entitled to keeping a connection to our former name and identity IMHO.

MTK
03-05-2021, 09:12 AM
Terry McLaurin says he played through two high-ankle sprains (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/04/terry-mclaurin-says-he-played-through-two-high-ankle-sprains/)

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