WFT's Off-Season Thread

Pretty sure it's people with pre-existing medical conditions who need it the most.

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Pretty sure it depends on the pre-existing conditions, and if a doctor is advising someone to hold off, then probably ought to hold off. This is not speaking to Sweat, he didn't say a doctor advised him to hold off, but the earlier poster mentioned it about his family members.

Most vaccines have an average of 10 -12 year test and trial period (On average, vaccine development can take 10-15 years. (https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-covid-19-leading-innovation-clinical-trials) ) and even then there are skeptics. I don't think anyone should be shamed or harassed if they choose to wait.

I would say the doctors and scientists have a pretty good idea about whether or not there could be long term side effects from the vaccine. They know exactly what the vaccine consists of and surely can make an educated summation of whether or not it could be dangerous. Unless it is death, it is a better alternative to the virus. Look at the long term side effects, let alone the deaths, that the virus has on people. Months and months later some still have major lung issues, etc.
I mean what more facts do you need other than the virus has killed millions of people??? That is fact enough for me. All the garbage chemicals in different crap foods, and illicit drugs and alcohol people consume but the want more information on a medicine? Ok.

And honestly being fully vaccinated I dont care if you get it or not. Im good. Swim at your own risk. I cant get it. I cant pass it on. From a football standpoint it bothers me because i would hate to see Sweat and others wind up getting it or being exposed and missing time. But hey to each their own. Im not chastising anyone. I fully disagree though.

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

This is true, but iirc it reduces the odds you end up in the hospital with a life-threatening disease.

Those with pre-existing conditions have a very valid reason to wait, but what's the plan? Are they going to wait 10-20 years to see if there's no long term side effects?

I just don't want the 'rona being something we have to deal with every year like the flu.

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

Yeah but

Yes that’s how vaccines work. You can contract it and spread it. But this take needs some context.

Transmission of the vaccinated from what we know is extremely low. Best estimates .00005%. So extremely unlikely

The severity of the of covid if vaccinated is really the bread and butter of why it’s important. It drops the hospitalization rates big time, which were already low for a majority of the population. Meaning you don’t need help kicking covid if vaccinated. The trial death rates. I know from j&j it was 100% survival rate and think that was true with the others.

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.


It is extremely unlikely that i can transmit the virus. It is also almost 100 percent effective against getting or spreading the virus in regards to needing hospitalization. In other words my chances of winding up in the hospital or spreading it to someone who winds up in the hospital is one in a million. Those are the best “facts” we have. Meanwhile people all over the world who are not vaccinated are getting severely ill and dying. Fact.

We do not know anything. The sun may not rise tomorrow but i know where my money lies. Like i said Chief. Swim at your own risk. That is your prerogative. I feel damn good about being maskless at a god damn live show and not getting or making anyone sick. Woot. Fucking. Woot.

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

I won't hold it against someone that is waiting per say after all it has not gone through typical vetting, but the argument that we don't know the longitudinal effects of the vaccine just doesn't hold water. We also don't know the longitudinal effects of the virus and in the historical context of diseases and cures the long term effects of the disease are almost always more severe. It is what it is the perception of risk versus the actual risk very rarely match up.

https://i.imgflip.com/5csacp.jpg

"Effective immediately, fully vaccinated Tiered staff and players will not be required to wear masks anywhere in the club facility, either indoors or outdoors," the NFL memo read in part. "An individual is considered "fully vaccinated" if 14 days have passed since the individual received his or her last dose of COVID-19 vaccine (either the single dose of Johnson & Johnson or the second does of Pfizer or Moderna). Tiered staff and players who are not fully vaccinated (i.e. have not received any vaccine, or are within the 14-day period after receipt of the last does of the vaccine) must continue to wear masks indoors and outdoors at the club facility as required in the October 16, 2020 Club Facility Protocol unless and until they are fully vaccinated."

https://www.nfl.com/news/fully-vaccinated-players-staff-no-longer-required-to-wear-masks-at-nfl-team-faci

uffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane said on Wednesday that he would cut players if they did not receive the COVID-19 vaccination. B

“Yeah, I would [cut them], because it would be an advantage,” Beane said on the Buffalo Bills’ team-sponsored radio show, “One Bills Live.”

“I think there’s going to be some incentives, if you have ‘X’ number percent of your players and staff vaccinated, you can live normal, let’s just call it, back to the old days.”

Beane is the first NFL GM to come out and say that players would face consequences if they did not receive the vaccine. Most clubs are recommending their players get the vaccine.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/brandon-beane-says-bills-who-dont-vaccinate-could-be-cut


im trying to find some articles or the NFL protocol re this 70% threshold I keep hearing about but I cant find anything. Its weird.

From what Ive heard, if we dont get to 70%:

- no large player meetings
- limited number of people in weight room etc
- masks indoors and outdoors
- players wouldnt be able to socialize or spend time together on road trips
- cant eat together
- cant interact with family or friends on the road


Teams that dont vax are going to be at a big disadvantage ....

If youre Jonathan Allen who got the vax .. Id have some feelings towards the Sweats who didnt get it and put the entire team through this

I won't hold it against someone that is waiting per say after all it has not gone through typical vetting, but the argument that we don't know the longitudinal effects of the vaccine just doesn't hold water. We also don't know the longitudinal effects of the virus and in the historical context of diseases and cures the long term effects of the disease are almost always more severe. It is what it is the perception of risk versus the actual risk very rarely match up.


Not to mention that who gives a fuck about long term effects when the short term effects are millions dead and millions more sick.

Not to mention that who gives a fuck about long term effects when the short term effects are millions dead and millions more sick.

Well since I plan on living long term, I obviously care about the long term ramifications. And the short term since the vaccine almost killed my wife.