WFT's Off-Season Thread

It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.

I don’t mind trading the farm for a for sure thing like Rodgers or Wilson. But trading farm in draft no thanks. For the record I don’t mind trading up to get your guy just not an RG3 style trade.

It’s also insane to listen to people say for months not to trade the farm for a QB and build the right way and then in one second change your mind and want the new shiny toy available. No one’s wrong, we just see it differently.

I assume you talk about trading the farm to go up and get a rookie QB (which has a lot of risk). Which to me is a very different situation than trading the farm to get a QB of Rodgers or R. Wilson's caliber. I don't understand what's so terrible about being opposed to trading for a rookie and be for trading for Pro Bowl QB.

Also, what's the right way to acquire a QB in the next two seasons, that doesn't result in the team having a terrible record and having a top 5 pick? And what is more likely to happen:

a.) Winning with Fitz, develop a project QB
b.) Winning with Rodgers, develop a project QB

I know it is probably not likely that Rodgers gets here, but I don't get this "no way in hell" attitude that a lot of people have.

I assume you talk about trading the farm to go up and get a rookie QB (which has a lot of risk). Which to me is a very different situation than trading the farm to get a QB of Rodgers or R. Wilson's caliber. I don't understand what's so terrible about being opposed to trading for a rookie and be for trading for Pro Bowl QB.

Also, what's the right way to acquire a QB in the next two seasons, that doesn't result in the team having a terrible record and having a top 5 pick? And what is more likely to happen:

a.) Winning with Fitz, develop a project QB
b.) Winning with Rodgers, develop a project QB

I know it is probably not likely that Rodgers gets here, but I don't get this "no way in hell" attitude that a lot of people have.

When was the last time the “all in shoot for the stars trade” has worked out for us?

Might be weird, but I completely understand the thinking behind trading for Rodgers, and I'm not calling it crazy, because being an instant SB contender does have some appeal... But I'm still strongly against it.
And it's not about some sort of moral compass telling me what's "right" and "wrong" in building a team.
It's actually about winning. Long term.

I don't want to be a 2-3 years wonder. I want to make the playoffs 85% of the time, and have a chance at the big thing several times a decade.

I saw an other offer being 2 firsts, 2 seconds, Fitz and Ioannidis.
My issue is, as many said before, with how the cap works, we KNOW we won't be able to resign all of Allen, Payne, Young, Sweat, Terry etc... (Especially if we have a nearly 40M/yr QB) So we're gonna NEED some high draft picks to replace them. Because if we don't, regardless of how this 2-3 years ride goes... We're kinda back to the basement... and I don't want that...

Oh and btw we don't have 37M of available cap space, so who you cutting ?

I think we would make an offer, but I have zero belief that this FO would sell the farm like they would need to in order to be the trade partner. My guess is that both Denver and LV would outbid us in a heartbeat.

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Draft and develop.

I believe Green Bay, much like the Texans, is not going to be bullied.

They'll sit Rodgers and start Love and never look back.

The media needs something to talk about.

You can understand Rodgers' frustration, McCarthy hosing deep playoff runs with his incompetence, the inexcusable secondary issues that lost games, etc. Rodgers has done his part, and then some, and been hosed by coaching and teammates, but GB will probably not win anymore SBs while he is there.

You can also see with a young actress wife and his eyes on Jeopardy, an east or west coast venue, a city with more culture, is extremely appealing. You think some wife used to the glamour and culture of LA or NY wants to move to Green Bay? Not a chance.

The fact is he signed a contract though, and he isn't bullying his way out any more than Wilson, Watson, etc. The NFL is structured so that the owners hold virtually all the power. As with Watson, they can go after his bonus money and hose him financially, though he might not care about $20-$30M and can certainly afford to eat that shitburger in a way Watson couldn't (especially now with legal fees and settlements from HandjobGate).

It is an interesting decision. Suppose Rodgers has 5 years left, ala Brady. Do you trade a 1st and 2nd for 5 years of a surefire HOF QB, probably one of the 10-20 best to ever play the game? You could make compelling arguments both ways. If our FO was willing to give up a 1st and another high pick for Stafford, is 2 #1s for Rodgers ridiculous? I don't know. 38 is really old for any NFL player. With one more good draft and Rodgers, we are a legit deep playoff contender, though we still need some true stars to be a SB contender, besides Chase Young. Even if you hit on a late 1st round pick, and get a true franchise QB, very low odds he is a HOF QB of Rodgers caliber. Interesting decision.

I don't think Rodgers whining about Love is resentment of competition, but rather resentment of not doing everything to help him win a few more SBs, and spending those resources on a better supporting cast.

All a moot point. Rodgers isn't going anywhere. Green Bay is going to tell him he is under contract and not budge, period. His two choices are to retire or play for GB, and all his whining to the media won't change that. This is especially true if you understand the fanatical culture in GB. You might as well look for a unicorn as talk about trading for Rodgers, unless the offer is so obscene it makes no sense (three #1s plus more). The problem then is Rodgers has none of the supporting cast he wants anyway because the resources expended to get him make this impossible. Rodgers is in a Catch 22.

When was the last time the “all in shoot for the stars trade” has worked out for us?



In all fairness it was never for a guy like Rodgers.

Just like D Watson (before the curtain was pulled back), if Rodgers wants out - ultimately he'll get what he wants.

When was the last time the “all in shoot for the stars trade” has worked out for us?

I can understand being trigger shy no doubt. The three most recent trades that come to mind were McNabb, RG3, and Alex Smith. They all ended pretty poorly for us. McNabb was flat out bad. 2012 was magical until RG3 tried to be a pocket passer in the Seattle playoff game and basically ended his career. I still think I had reservations about his longevity but it is hard to think back a decade. The Alex Smith trade looked ok. We were winning the division and while we weren't wowing statistically. Alex Smith's leadership is undeniable but that was a fluke accident.

IDK I think I would pull the trigger on Rodgers far more of a for sure thing than any of those three QBs. I look at Tampa they went 7-9 basically same team just add Brady and a bit of Gronk and suddenly Super Bowl Champs and favorites this year.

If we had Rodgers we would be in the NFC title game next year no doubt in my mind.

Then how was tagging him a good move ?
Ok, I'll let it go at some point, promise...

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I concur.
The only scenario I see is if we trade him (ha, ha) or don't intend to sign high priced FAs next year.
This year we might get no comp because our other high-priced FAs would probably cancel him out.
I don't think the FO is being that clever. I think they looked at a roster with 20 holes on it, and couldn't address everything, so paid Scherff and will address G next year if he leaves. Keep in mind, FO could not know Flowers would be available for certain. Not defending the decision, but that's what I think thought process was. Basically, never-healthy Scherff wants a deal that pays about $7M less, on average, of what Jackson AND Samuel make combined.
I think next year you clear Collins and Scherff off books and lock up Allen and Payne long term.

I can understand being trigger shy no doubt. The three most recent trades that come to mind were McNabb, RG3, and Alex Smith. They all ended pretty poorly for us. McNabb was flat out bad. 2012 was magical until RG3 tried to be a pocket passer in the Seattle playoff game and basically ended his career. I still think I had reservations about his longevity but it is hard to think back a decade. The Alex Smith trade looked ok. We were winning the division and while we weren't wowing statistically. Alex Smith's leadership is undeniable but that was a fluke accident.

IDK I think I would pull the trigger on Rodgers far more of a for sure thing than any of those three QBs. I look at Tampa they went 7-9 basically same team just add Brady and a bit of Gronk and suddenly Super Bowl Champs and favorites this year.

If we had Rodgers we would be in the NFC title game next year no doubt in my mind.

Rodgers won't be available unless someone makes GB a PREPOSTEROUS offer. We would be in a 3-8 team bidding war. The cost would be ridiculous. Anyone who thinks GB budging is dreaming. They'll let him sit and eat the shitburger, period.