What happens with Kyle Smith?

I don’t know how long you’ve been a fan, but after 30 fucking years of ineptitude, 3 years of solid drafts, especially the last 2. You don’t have to be blind to see what Smith has done. His mid to lower rounds are better than anyones, his achilles has been the 4th rounders, some of those picks are still to be determined if they’ll pan out. I guess McLaurin, Gibson, Settle, Holcomb, Moreland, Kurl and others are shitty picks? You think Mayhew/Hurney would be able to do that? I highly doubted.

Were not blind but you are going WAY overboard with this. He’s not the only person on the planet who can pick players. Sorry but it is that simple. If it means that much to you, go follow the team he goes to.

I don’t know how long you’ve been a fan, but after 30 fucking years of ineptitude, 3 years of solid drafts, especially the last 2. You don’t have to be blind to see what Smith has done. His mid to lower rounds are better than anyones, his achilles has been the 4th rounders, some of those picks are still to be determined if they’ll pan out. I guess McLaurin, Gibson, Settle, Holcomb, Moreland, Kurl and others are shitty picks? You think Mayhew/Hurney would be able to do that? I highly doubted.

Therein lies the flaw in this argument. Again, you cannot attribute this roster and the previous three years of draft picks (both good and bad) to Smith, and Smith alone.

Were not blind but you are going WAY overboard with this. He’s not the only person on the planet who can pick players. Sorry but it is that simple. If it means that much to you, go follow the team he goes to.

Yeah, Casserly, Vinny, McCloughan and Allen did a great job, that’s why we haven’t done shit in 30 years.

Yeah, Casserly, Vinny, McCloughan and Allen did a great job, that’s why we haven’t done shit in 30 years.

Yeah it’s just that simple. 🤦*♂️ You’re basically hysterical. I’m out.

Yup, couple guys we let walk went on to 2 SB and another who could go to one this year. Clearly they have no clue how to coach and manage talentI didnt see any of them requesting permission to speak with him while he was here. Chico you should know media spin better than to fall for Chris Russell's garbage. Clearly, he has his love for KS and that is fine, but no one is reaching out to KS as GM. SF is replacing the guy that just signed with us. And the others may see him as a good guy because of their time here, but none of them was pushing the issue enough to lure him away from here.

The one simple fact is we wanted a guy to come in who would not be beholden to DS and would set up a professional football organization. Now that we have someone doing that some people are crying because a guy who thrived in the muck of the WFT front office may be released. Just seems like a contrived reason to gripe about the WFT from a source (Russell) that makes a living doing that.

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Yeah, Casserly, Vinny, McCloughan and Allen did a great job, that’s why we haven’t done shit in 30 years.

I think you mean Dan Snyder...

I think you mean Dan Snyder...

Smith has worked Dan for 16 years and drafted for 3.

Smith has worked Dan for 16 years and drafted for 3.


Here's the past 9 drafts, players that are still in the league, making an impact - mostly starters, but some are now backups. They are still contributing as compared to other draft picks who are either not in the league or have disappeared on the benches somewhere.

2012 - RGIII, Kirk Cousins, Alfred Morris, Tom Compton
2013 - (no 1st Rd pick) Jordan Reed, Chris Thompson,
2014 - (no 1st Rd pick) Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, Bashaud Breeland
2015 - Brandon Scherff, Preston Smith, Jamison Crowder, Austin Reiter
2016 - Kendall Fuller, Matt Ioannidis, Nate Sudfeld
2017 - Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Fabian Moreau, Chase Rouillier
2018 - Daron Payne, Tim Settle
2019 - Montez Sweat, Terry McLaurin, Cole Holcomb, Jimmy Moreland
2020 - Chase Young, Antonio Gibson, Kamren Curl

As you can see there were some pretty good picks prior to Kyle Smith and all his glory. There were also some pretty bad picks (not listed) before Kyle and with Kyle. The notion that things are markedly better because of his presence is simply false. You really really like him though, and that's ok. I just don't think he's as much of a difference maker as you would like to believe.

Here's the past 9 drafts, players that are still in the league, making an impact - mostly starters, but some are now backups. They are still contributing as compared to other draft picks who are either not in the league or have disappeared on the benches somewhere.

2012 - RGIII, Kirk Cousins, Alfred Morris, Tom Compton
2013 - (no 1st Rd pick) Jordan Reed, Chris Thompson,
2014 - (no 1st Rd pick) Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, Bashaud Breeland
2015 - Brandon Scherff, Preston Smith, Jamison Crowder, Austin Reiter
2016 - Kendall Fuller, Matt Ioannidis, Nate Sudfeld
2017 - Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Fabian Moreau, Chase Rouillier
2018 - Daron Payne, Tim Settle
2019 - Montez Sweat, Terry McLaurin, Cole Holcomb, Jimmy Moreland
2020 - Chase Young, Antonio Gibson, Kamren Curl

As you can see there were some pretty good picks prior to Kyle Smith and all his glory. There were also some pretty bad picks (not listed) before Kyle and with Kyle. The notion that things are markedly better because of his presence is simply false. You really really like him though, and that's ok. I just don't think he's as much of a difference maker as you would like to believe.

And if you count the impactful players from 2102-2017 not counting RGIII, Compton, Sudfeld, Morris, players like RGIII had one good year and we gave up the farm for him, Morris 2-3 years. 15 impactful players in 6 years vs 9 in 3 years. Some of those picks were Shanarat’s forgot about him as GM.

No matter how you feel his results speak for themselves and Kyle is well respected around the league as a competent talent evaluator. It would be a bad loss for the org; you can’t have too many people who evaluate talent well.

Again, we will be able to see how this plays down the road. We know who we passed on here.

I agree.

These are moves that can't be judged today, but I hope we're not looking back in 5 years on Rivera and co. the way we look back at Mike Shanahan or Jay Gruden.

Kyle Smith represents the last of the young guns (Kyle S., McVay, LaFleur) to rise up in this organization and move on to better situations elsewhere. Time will tell if he's destined for a starring role but I'm sad to see him go.

In the meantime I still trust Ron's process, until the results don't pan out at least.