The Common Ground thread

Legalize all drugs. Make crimes committed while high on drugs very very stiff, with required treatment prior to going to prison (if convicted).Even that makes a lot of sense, i can't see a legalize all drugs platform gaining traction in the common ground. To easy to be decried by one side of the argument.

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Even that makes a lot of sense, i can't see a legalize all drugs platform gaining traction in the common ground. To easy to be decried by one side of the argument.

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Yeah. Probably not. And I haven't always felt that way myself, so I can understand the arguments against it. But I believe if people want to do drugs like heroin they're going to do it regardless.

Military intervention and drug laws are where I have changed the most since my younger days.

Finding approaches to drugs that doesn't involve locking people up is just smart. The war on drugs has been a colossal failure. No way to argue that. Need more money and resources directed towards treatment and recovery, and mental health.

Oregon is a shithole period. Let their children die, who cares

This is said as someone who has worked with heroin addicts in the past who past diseases like hiv, who purpose starved their children for fixes.

It’s disgraceful period

Lost my dad to Heroin last yr, he sold it for years and did time for it... Dope took him away from my brother and I leaving my single mom (who worked as a elementary school cafeteria worker) to raise us alone.. I saw it all at a very young age, fuck that heroin shit and I have no sympathy for anyone who uses it

Since this is the common ground thread, maybe we can try an exercise in compromise. around drugs. So, rather than focusing on the talking points and extreme stances, what core points do we find that common ground on?

Common ground statements - can you compromise on these points, without contradicting your core values:
Decriminalizing recreational pot -
puts the onus on the individual
could lead to acceptance of harder drugs
could reduce the damage done to minority groups by overly harsh sentences
could still have requirements for treatment, but not criminal records
could have requirements for treatment, and expunge criminal records after short sober period
does not mean all drugs should be legal,
does not mean all drugs should be illegal.

Maybe there are other core value statements that have to be worked in to a final solution. What would your redlines be around drug use decriminalization?

I have a hard time seeing a con. I am not trying to get in an argument of police defunding. There are obviously idiots like AOC that literally mean defund the police but most politicians I have asked about this issue it is doing things such as decriminalizing pot so the police can actually focus on more important community issues. That could be a compromise for both parties. How would you and SD being more libertarian handle legalizing pot knowing the government would regulate it to prevent it from being the low standard "imports" we see today? To me regulation makes products be it consumer, energy, food cleaner.

I have a hard time seeing a con. I am not trying to get in an argument of police defunding. There are obviously idiots like AOC that literally mean defund the police but most politicians I have asked about this issue it is doing things such as decriminalizing pot so the police can actually focus on more important community issues. That could be a compromise for both parties. How would you and SD being more libertarian handle legalizing pot knowing the government would regulate it to prevent it from being the low standard "imports" we see today? To me regulation makes products be it consumer, energy, food cleaner.

As long as the federal government is not regulating it, I'm fine with it. Let each state handle that individually, as they see fit.

Let states and/or local governments handle it, is my solution to 90% of all issues, give or take.

As long as the federal government is not regulating it, I'm fine with it. Let each state handle that individually, as they see fit.

Agreed. And treat driving while high the same as you would DUI, with harsh penalties.

Of course this means we need a reliable test, but that's out of my league lol. I think we all agree on decriminalization of weed though.

Let states and/or local governments handle it, is my solution to 90% of all issues, give or take.

I'm a southerner by birth so I can have some appreciation for letting states and local governments handle most things. (I do draw the line on protection of our common resources). My dad worked in the White House during the Reagan administration and we have this discussion all the time about military spending. He has convinced me that we could cut military spending by half and use that at the state level for policing and mental health and we would easily save more American lives annually.

I'm a southerner by birth so I can have some appreciation for letting states and local governments handle most things. (I do draw the line on protection of our common resources). My dad worked in the White House during the Reagan administration and we have this discussion all the time about military spending. He has convinced me that we could cut military spending by half and use that at the state level for policing and mental health and we would easily save more American lives annually.

If it was up to me, I'd eliminate a lot of departments, agencies, etc., altogether. And all the ones remaining would get a 10% cut in 2022, including military spending.