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AnonEmouse
09-21-2020, 07:25 AM
Lotta doom and gloom after yesterday.

We found out how good this team could be in week 1, now we found out how bad this team could be in a week 2.

It will be a year of growing pains, and hopefully progress. But in weeks where our offensive line looks like trash I don't expect to see competitive football. Haskins is never going to be a guy that can succeed in spite of his o-line.

This. I think some of us have a reasonable take on what's likely this year and some have just too much expectation.

Firstly talking about Herbert having a good first game is dumb for 3 reasons; 1) he had 4 years of starting in college (though he was good from the get go), 2) he has an established O around him with a good OL and some of the best skill position players around him and 3) he still made dumb decisions. His field position awareness was lacking; he unnecessarily threw the ball into traffic while running when he was 3 yards from the 1st down marker with nobody in front of him and they were in the lead. And his INT was ugly.

And no QB is going to light up the scoreboard with a Swiss cheese OL. I only caught the plays that they showed on Redzone, but I saw multiple plays where he had less than 2 seconds to pass. On a designed quick pass that's OK, but on 3rd and 10, if you can't give your QB at least 3 seconds you are most likely to be 4th and 10 or worse. Leaving 2 extra blockers in isn't the answer because any decent secondary should shut down 3 WR's all day, especially when only rushing 4 or 5. The OL has to improve if we're to get more than 4-6 wins.

And I can't blame the D. We still got 3 sacks (albeit only 1 from a DL) against a QB who's like trying to trying to catch mist. What is a little concerning is that Drake managed over 4y per carry, though I believe he was largely bottled up in the 1st half? Murray getting big yardage isn't a surprise as most of his running yardage comes off broken plays. I do however agree that its surprising we didn't spy him more. Tough one really because if you take an LB or DB out of coverage to spy him, Hopkins etc. will have a field day...

I'm taking some positives from this, and seeing them as what RR will build on as the season goes forward and into the offseason decisions:

1) McLaurin is the real deal, the one shining light on O.
Sims is a good enough #2 (forget Inman) or #3 if we can get better #2 in the offseason. I'd build a WR crew around them and ditch everyone else as better guys come in.
2) Gibson is a keeper, maybe McKissick. I see why RR thought AP was a luxury we didn't need. He wouldn't do better behind this OL and he'd be taking reps from guys that should be the future.
3) CY is the real deal AND he elevates the rest of the DL. We need to find LB's and DB's to back up the DL play. Fuller and Moreland should be the only ones with anything like a guarantee to be here next year.
4) Haskins hasn't thrown an INT yet; for all his inaccuracy he's trying to put the ball where only his guy can catch it, albeit that he's not doing a great job. But I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt through a lack of experience. I think he can and will improve (though it may take a revamped OL).

skinsfaninok
09-21-2020, 09:12 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiZa5wAWAAAVWeD?format=jpg&name=large

Not good

GridIron26
09-21-2020, 09:22 AM
This is the bottom line:

The defense played well enough to win.

The offense did not play well enough to win.

The end.

This. The game is a great way to bring us all back to the earth... Rivera already said last week that it will take the offense a while to mesh together. If we win some games this year, it will be because of our defense. We need to do everything we can do to rebuild the Oline this offseason.

skinsfaninok
09-21-2020, 09:28 AM
John Clayton said on the morning drive today that if the draft happened today he'd go

Murray
Mindshew
Lock
Jones
Haskins

Can't argue that

skinsfan69
09-21-2020, 09:30 AM
DH was not drafted by this staff - fair or not he isn't getting a long leach. I'd expect to see Allen by the 8th game. DH misses lay ups. He can't hit basic passes that any college QB hits. Don't want to hear how strong his arm is.

The line isn't helping him much. They are so bad. I see why Jay moved Scherrf to guard. He is a joke at pass blocking. CAN NOT extend him to a LTD simply because he is not a top player at his position but wants to be paid like one. His back-up is better at pass blocking.

I've seen enough of BBQ. For every play he makes he fucks up the next 3. Just isn't a good safety. Who looked at his film and thought he was better than Mathieu? That is the guy you pay money to. He makes plays, tackles and covers. I'd put Curl in there more and more. At least he wants to hit someone and doesn't seem to take shitty angles. Apke has no hope and should only be on teams.

skinsfaninok
09-21-2020, 09:37 AM
Donald Penn needs to be called today, as does Earl Thomas. Don't tell me "ET is a cancer" if u are wanting Apke to start all year we have no chance and this division sucks.

Haskins is what he is IMO, he's a serviceable QB that can win you games if you are loaded around him. If you need him to make crucial throws he wont do it, I agree I think we will see Kyle Allen soon if Haskins continues playing this poorly, had had 3 or 4 horrible balls yesterday that are NFL layups.. Unfortunately we do not have our Franchise QB once again.

Chico23231
09-21-2020, 09:42 AM
DH was not drafted by this staff - fair or not he isn't getting a long leach. I'd expect to see Allen by the 8th game. DH misses lay ups. He can't hit basic passes that any college QB hits. Don't want to hear how strong his arm is.

The line isn't helping him much. They are so bad. I see why Jay moved Scherrf to guard. He is a joke at pass blocking. CAN NOT extend him to a LTD simply because he is not a top player at his position but wants to be paid like one. His back-up is better at pass blocking.

I've seen enough of BBQ. For every play he makes he fucks up the next 3. Just isn't a good safety. Who looked at his film and thought he was better than Mathieu? That is the guy you pay money to. He makes plays, tackles and covers. I'd put Curl in there more and more. At least he wants to hit someone and doesn't seem to take shitty angles. Apke has no hope and should only be on teams.

Landon Collins was another fucking joke of a signing. Lol what an embarrassment. Gotta cut him or renegotiate that deal. I knew that was signing was gonna bite us. You don’t pay that money for a low impact position.

I hope the Pats don’t use up Cam this year...gotta think he will be in the mix for QB for us.

Agree, Schreff not playing well enough to demand top 5 guard money.

skinsfaninok
09-21-2020, 09:44 AM
Landon Collins was another fucking joke of a signing. Lol what an embarrassment. Gotta cut him or renegotiate that deal. I knew that was signing was gonna bite us. You don’t pay that money for a low impact position.

I hope the Pats don’t use up Cam this year...gotta think he will be in the mix for QB for us.

Cam said he's rejuvenated in NE, I bet he signs a deal with them. Yeah Collins sucks, he makes a play here and there but then he has 2 or 3 horrible misses

MTK
09-21-2020, 09:44 AM
So many things stacked against Haskins right now. New offense, new coaches, a piss poor OL, not any weapons beyond McLaurin, etc etc. Too early to give up on him.

skinsfaninok
09-21-2020, 09:46 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eiaq7WhVoAEI6bY?format=png&name=900x900

Haskins is clearly better when he's in quick game situations

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