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I'll have to disagree to me a lot of this is on Dan. In business attitude matters. If you are good at what you do and an asshole people will tolerate it to an extent but they would rather have someone who might have a bit less talent but brings a quality workplace environment. Dan does none of those. He drove away the casual fans through myriad of decisions, suing old ladies, suing the City Paper, shoddy product and overall piss poor attitude. When asked about a name change we all know how he reacted in 2013. Instead of being a business man about it and identifying support for the name and the positives it brings. Eventually he does create the Original American's Foundation but they do such a shit job of marketing it even with the teams media.
He is a bad business partner. NFL owners that used to defend the name because the Redskins were a quality product and thus improved their bottom line began to not support the name. The minority owners tried to sell their shares but they couldn't find someone to take shares of one of the most valuable franchises in the world. They did what they needed to to get out of a toxic environment and I cannot blame them for this.
Dan has repeatedly been given gifts in regards to the name polls showing that Native American's don't find it offensive, that the word that resonates with the logo is "proud" by Native Americans and a Supreme Court decision that says bans on trademarks with offensive language are illegal. Each one of those incidents he handled like an ass hat in the team response.
I do think change was inevitable it is hard to have a team maintained with a word that is defined as a slur, but if he was a good business owner and partner the franchise name would still have had support.
This 110%
JackLord 07-13-2020, 01:59 PM Coming out and saying we're never going to change the name and you can put that in all caps was a big mistake by Snyder. When you draw a line in the sand and make it clear that something isn't up for debate or a rational discussion, don't be surprised when the other side comes back with an equally hard headed response.
Agreed. He was already disliked by many and to be so obnoxious about it just threw fuel on the fire.
A better approach would have been to keep his cool and have some scripted response stressing that nobody is trying to offend anybody, yatta, yatta. But that is not Danny.
Ruhskins 07-13-2020, 02:00 PM I'll have to disagree to me a lot of this is on Dan. In business attitude matters. If you are good at what you do and an asshole people will tolerate it to an extent but they would rather have someone who might have a bit less talent but brings a quality workplace environment. Dan does none of those. He drove away the casual fans through myriad of decisions, suing old ladies, suing the City Paper, shoddy product and overall piss poor attitude. When asked about a name change we all know how he reacted in 2013. Instead of being a business man about it and identifying support for the name and the positives it brings. Eventually he does create the Original American's Foundation but they do such a shit job of marketing it even with the teams media.
He is a bad business partner. NFL owners that used to defend the name because the Redskins were a quality product and thus improved their bottom line began to not support the name. The minority owners tried to sell their shares but they couldn't find someone to take shares of one of the most valuable franchises in the world. They did what they needed to to get out of a toxic environment and I cannot blame them for this.
Dan has repeatedly been given gifts in regards to the name polls showing that Native American's don't find it offensive, that the word that resonates with the logo is "proud" by Native Americans and a Supreme Court decision that says bans on trademarks with offensive language are illegal. Each one of those incidents he handled like an ass hat in the team response.
I do think change was inevitable it is hard to have a team maintained with a word that is defined as a slur, but if he was a good business owner and partner the franchise name would still have had support.
Excellent post.
mooby 07-13-2020, 02:15 PM I'll have to disagree to me a lot of this is on Dan. In business attitude matters. If you are good at what you do and an asshole people will tolerate it to an extent but they would rather have someone who might have a bit less talent but brings a quality workplace environment. Dan does none of those. He drove away the casual fans through myriad of decisions, suing old ladies, suing the City Paper, shoddy product and overall piss poor attitude. When asked about a name change we all know how he reacted in 2013. Instead of being a business man about it and identifying support for the name and the positives it brings. Eventually he does create the Original American's Foundation but they do such a shit job of marketing it even with the teams media.
He is a bad business partner. NFL owners that used to defend the name because the Redskins were a quality product and thus improved their bottom line began to not support the name. The minority owners tried to sell their shares but they couldn't find someone to take shares of one of the most valuable franchises in the world. They did what they needed to to get out of a toxic environment and I cannot blame them for this.
Dan has repeatedly been given gifts in regards to the name polls showing that Native American's don't find it offensive, that the word that resonates with the logo is "proud" by Native Americans and a Supreme Court decision that says bans on trademarks with offensive language are illegal. Each one of those incidents he handled like an ass hat in the team response.
I do think change was inevitable it is hard to have a team maintained with a word that is defined as a slur, but if he was a good business owner and partner the franchise name would still have had support.
Reposting just because this is so on point. Great post dude.
skinsfaninok 07-13-2020, 02:17 PM Coming out and saying we're never going to change the name and you can put that in all caps was a big mistake by Snyder. When you draw a line in the sand and make it clear that something isn't up for debate or a rational discussion, don't be surprised when the other side comes back with an equally hard headed response.
The dude is your typical fanboy that has big $$ and lucky enough to own a team... He's a loser , I don't care how much money he has
punch it in 07-13-2020, 02:25 PM The name may be going away but the history will always be there.
Exactly. If you are changing teams because they change their name than who needs ya anyway. It isn’t like they are moving the team to some other region. Im excited for a fresh start and to continue rooting for the same players I rooted for last year, but with what looks like a proper staff and FO in place. HTT?
skinsfaninok 07-13-2020, 03:00 PM https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec0hYQ-WkAAgM1P?format=jpg&name=large
Ok these are actually cool
JackLord 07-13-2020, 03:00 PM The dude is your typical fanboy that has big $$ and lucky enough to own a team... He's a loser , I don't care how much money he has
True dat.
I must say, Snyder fascinates me. I perpetually wonder how long it will take him to fully ascend the learning curve. He shows signs of "getting it" but then regresses back to his obstinate self.
That he is not a nice person goes without saying. But there is more to it than that. Honestly, and this is only my theory, I think winning is secondary to him. Oh sure, he would love to hoist the Lombardi Trophy.
But first and foremost is the intoxication he experiences by making big splashes and headlines. I think that is what turns him on. I would not doubt he is in heaven right now with all the attention the org is getting.
irish 07-13-2020, 03:37 PM I'll have to disagree to me a lot of this is on Dan. In business attitude matters. If you are good at what you do and an asshole people will tolerate it to an extent but they would rather have someone who might have a bit less talent but brings a quality workplace environment. Dan does none of those. He drove away the casual fans through myriad of decisions, suing old ladies, suing the City Paper, shoddy product and overall piss poor attitude. When asked about a name change we all know how he reacted in 2013. Instead of being a business man about it and identifying support for the name and the positives it brings. Eventually he does create the Original American's Foundation but they do such a shit job of marketing it even with the teams media.
He is a bad business partner. NFL owners that used to defend the name because the Redskins were a quality product and thus improved their bottom line began to not support the name. The minority owners tried to sell their shares but they couldn't find someone to take shares of one of the most valuable franchises in the world. They did what they needed to to get out of a toxic environment and I cannot blame them for this.
Dan has repeatedly been given gifts in regards to the name polls showing that Native American's don't find it offensive, that the word that resonates with the logo is "proud" by Native Americans and a Supreme Court decision that says bans on trademarks with offensive language are illegal. Each one of those incidents he handled like an ass hat in the team response.
I do think change was inevitable it is hard to have a team maintained with a word that is defined as a slur, but if he was a good business owner and partner the franchise name would still have had support.
I agree with the first three paragraphs 100%. My problem with the last paragraph is that I don't think DS's business ownership had as much to do with the team name still having support as winning would have. If the team had two decades of winning vs two decades of losing under his ownership that might have fostered some goodwill that gave him and the team name the benefit of the doubt.
coggs 07-13-2020, 04:22 PM Person with knowledge of the situation confirms Washington football owner Dan Snyder and the team plan to announce name change Monday morning.
Mike Jones - USA TODAY
So the end is official and coming within the hours, I want this thread to be positive.
Name your favorite Redskins of all time
Favorite moments / games / eras.
I also want to say thank you Matty and everyone here for keeping me sane through the years, in a sense I grew up a lot with the Warpath.. I'm not sure if the site name will change but if it does I SALUTE this page!!
And for one final time (can't believe I'm writing this)
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS
Aside from the guys who played for Both the Skins and Giants (Pierce, Armstead, Leonard Marshall) it is without a doubt, Jim Lachey. Met him at football camp in the Summer of 91. Just a really nice guy. Me and another camper happened to cross paths with him after lunch. He walked and talked with us for a good 1/2 hour. Asked him about working out (I was 15, summer before 10th grade) hadn't REALLY started lifting yet. Was the first time I heard, "Arms are for show, legs are for dough." We talked about different guys in the NFL. Said the key to LT was to get a body on him and wear him down. Other kid I was with asked him about Reggie White and he said White is on other side, he dealt with Clyde Simmons.
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