Coaching and Front Office Changes

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

Actually he was the OC the entire year. But that's besides the point. You're asking a young QB who played one year of college, struggled with the playbook, protections, formations and spitting out the plays correctly to start all over. Once he finally starts to get all that down and we see a little bit of progress you make him learn a new offense.

I feel that RR should have taken notice of the things I mentioned and left KOC in place because that was what's best for DH.

As others have mentioned everyone does the good old boy hires in the NFL. I get that. It's just part of the business that will never change.

You're trying to make it into a black-and-white thing with the stats, but it's not so cut and dry.

We had the worst offense in the league because we stuck a rookie quarterback out there who wasn't ready, with 3 rookie wideouts and Trey Quinn/Paul Richardson, and a 3rd string TE as the starter. And your starting running back missed half the year, came back and played like 6ish? games and then got injured again, and his backup is a 35yo HOFer who isn't the guy he once was.

Whereas if you look at the detailed picture, you'd see after struggling initially Haskins and co. came on strong in the last 2 games before Haskins got hurt. So there are pieces to work with for next year, and acting like KOC should've hit the ground running as soon as he became playcaller, with the talent he had to work with, is asinine.

Anyways it's a moot point because KOC is leaving. But the shit on him here knowing the talent he had to work with and all the dysfunction on the coaching and training staffs is amazing. There's a reason multiple teams wanted to interview him after 2018. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25879982/kevin-oconnell-promoted-redskins-offensive-coordinator?device=featurephone)

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Actually he was the OC the entire year. But that's besides the point. You're asking a young QB who played one year of college, struggled with the playbook, protections, formations and spitting out the plays correctly to start all over. Once he finally starts to get all that down and we see a little bit of progress you make him learn a new offense.

I feel that RR should have taken notice of the things I mentioned and left KOC in place because that was what's best for DH.

As others have mentioned everyone does the good old boy hires in the NFL. I get that. It's just part of the business that will never change.

I want to play devil's advocate here. What if KOC disagree with Riveria's coaching/teaching strategies in general? Should Riveria still keep KOC, just for sake of the continuity?

Wouldn't be shocked if Cam came here for a year and Haskins learned behind him.

Haskins doesn't need to be sitting behind anyone. He needs to play.

I want to play devil's advocate here. What if KOC disagree with Riveria's coaching/teaching strategies in general? Should Riveria still keep KOC, just for sake of the continuity?

No, I'm going on the assumption that RR wanted to bring in his own guy which is Norv's son.

Anyhow it looks like Scott Turner has certainly paid his dues as he's been an assistant since 2005.

I’m fine with letting KOC leave and if Turner is who RR wants in RR I trust. I’m stoked we hired him. However, my only concern is based off of the reports I’ve heard about Haskins ability to learn a playbook over the course of his first season. Unsure how true they are, but I’ve read multiple times he struggled to pickup the playbook so him having to start ALL over worries me especially when he was finally appearing to pick things up there at the end of the season. I hope it doesn’t look like we’re starting from scratch come week 1 next year. The one caveat to all that is The Grudens are known to have an unnecessarily complex playbook and play calling style.


I don’t think he struggled to pick up things as much as he wasn’t taking things seriously enough in the beginning. Once he did he took off.



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I don’t think he struggled to pick up things as much as he wasn’t taking things seriously enough in the beginning. Once he did he took off.



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I heard that too, that he put absolutely no time into watching film and stuff. I personally think he’s got a ton of talent and he seems quite smart. When he throws the ball it jumps off the screen like only a few quarterbacks balls in the league. But that’s worrisome if he’s not willing to put in the work at the position of quarterback.

I heard that too, that he put absolutely no time into watching film and stuff. I personally think he’s got a ton of talent and he seems quite smart. When he throws the ball it jumps off the screen like only a few quarterbacks balls in the league. But that’s worrisome if he’s not willing to put in the work at the position of quarterback.

AP called him out and told him to start studying he playbook. To me that is worrisome. He should not have to be told to study.

He is young and sometimes people need a fire lite under their ass. He did show progress in the final 4 games. We won't really know for a year or two.

He’s a kid, and up until the NFL he was probably able to get by on his ability alone. He showed a lot of growth down the stretch, I think that will only continue.


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I want to play devil's advocate here. What if KOC disagree with Riveria's coaching/teaching strategies in general? Should Riveria still keep KOC, just for sake of the continuity?

You can play devil's advocate, I am a KOC fan and since Scott Turner is now our offensive coordinator I am now a Turner fan too.

But the bottom line is this:

Ron Rivera needs a coaching staff that will reinforce everything he teaches. He has to be in cohesion with his assistants because the players need to hear the same message from any coach no matter who it is. If KOC taught Haskins something that Rivera didn't agree with, it could cause setbacks in his development. That's why I'm not opposed to KOC leaving. The coaching staff has to have a unified philosophy.