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Chico23231 12-13-2019, 09:37 AM He's not the first athlete to go broke in retirement.
Def. not looking good for Portis on this one. I also see a couple ex-Redskins too like Carlos Rogers and Robert McCune.
If it's true what an absolutely poor choice by this group of guys.
Not only a poor choice, but what low character people participate in...he's a criminal
Buffalo Bob 12-13-2019, 09:44 AM Not only a poor choice, but what low character people participate in...he's a criminal
Low character scumbag, he also thought what Michael Vick did to those dogs was no big deal. I like how people minimalize criminal behavior, calling it "poor choices."
mooby 12-13-2019, 10:08 AM Low character scumbag, he also thought what Michael Vick did to those dogs was no big deal. I like how people minimalize criminal behavior, calling it "poor choices."
My first choice was "criminal man is bad" but I went with that instead.
Let's call him what he is. A vile, degenerate, lowlife piece of human scum who is the most despicable man to walk the face of the earth. Is that better?
Defrauding a multi-billion dollar sports league is what I like to call a poor choice, but how does it rate compared to what OJ or Vick did? I'd like to know more about where white collar crime rates on your scale compared to violent, or blue collar crime.
SunnySide 12-13-2019, 10:28 AM Portis' pockets are not straight. From what he has said he had millions stolen from going into a joint venture with other NFL players for a casino that never panned out but everything was in his name.
Then someone took out a second and possibly third mortgage on the house he bought for his mom and he has been in court battling that.
Cooley tried to save him by bringing Portis on his radio show years ago to help get Portis' foot in the door (my guess).
6 months ago or so didnt Portis say he was so frustrated he actually got a gun and drove to a guy's house who had financially stolen money from him? Changed his mind.
Portis needs some love and good luck.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, December 12, 2019
Ten Former NFL Players Charged in Alleged Nationwide Fraud on Health Care Benefit Program for Retired NFL Players
Former Players Allegedly Defrauded Plan for Millions of Dollars in Claims for Expensive Medical Equipment That Was Never Purchased or Received
Ten former National Football League (NFL) players have been charged in the Eastern District of Kentucky for their alleged roles in a nationwide fraud on a health care benefit program for retired NFL players.
The alleged fraud targeted the Gene Upshaw NFL Player Health Reimbursement Account Plan (the Plan), which was established pursuant to the 2006 collective bargaining agreement and provided for tax-free reimbursement of out-of-pocket medical care expenses that were not covered by insurance and that were incurred by former players, their wives and their dependents – up to a maximum of $350,000 per player. According to the charging documents, over $3.9 million in false and fraudulent claims were submitted to the Plan, and the Plan paid out over $3.4 million on those claims between June 2017 and December 2018.
“Ten former NFL players allegedly committed a brazen, multi-million dollar fraud on a health care plan meant to help their former teammates and other retired players pay legitimate, out-of-pocket medical expenses,” said Assistant Attorney General Benczkowski. “Today’s indictments underscore that whoever you are, if you loot health care programs to line your own pockets, you will be held accountable by the Department of Justice.”
“The defendants are alleged to have developed and executed a fraudulent scheme to undermine a health care benefit plan established by the NFL – one established to help their former teammates and colleagues pay for legitimate medical expenses,” said U.S. Attorney Robert M. Duncan Jr., for the Eastern District of Kentucky. “The defendants allegedly submitted false claims to the plan and obtained money for expensive medical equipment that was never purchased or received, depriving that plan of valuable resources to help others meet their medical needs. We have prioritized the investigation and prosecution of health care fraud in our office, and we appreciate the partnership we share with the Criminal Division and the FBI in pursuing these important matters.”
“This investigation serves as an illustration of the rampant and deliberate scams against health care plans occurring daily throughout the country,” said FBI Special Agent in Charge George L. Piro of the Miami Field Office. “In this case, these fraudsters pocketed money from the Gene Upshaw National Football League Health Reimbursement Account Plan that was intended for former NFL players who are ill or infirm. Over 20 FBI field offices participated in this investigation which demonstrates the level of commitment we have to rooting out this type of fraud.”
Two separate indictments filed in the Eastern District of Kentucky outline two alleged conspiracies involving different players related to the same scheme to defraud the Plan. Those charged in the indictments are the following:
Robert McCune, 40, of Riverdale, Georgia, is charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and health care fraud, nine counts of wire fraud and nine counts of health care fraud.
John Eubanks, 36, of Cleveland, Mississippi; Tamarick Vanover, 45, of Tallahassee, Florida; and Carlos Rogers, 38, of Alpharetta, Georgia, are each charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and health care fraud, two counts of wire fraud and two counts of health care fraud.
Clinton Portis, 38, of McLean, Virginia; Ceandris Brown, 36, of Fresno, Texas; James Butler, 37, of Atlanta, Georgia; and Fredrick Bennett, 35, of Port Wentworth, Georgia, are each charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and health care fraud, one count of wire fraud and one count of health care fraud.
Correll Buckhalter, 41, of Colleyville, Texas, and Etric Pruitt, 38, of Theodore, Alabama, are charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and health care fraud.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ten-former-nfl-players-charged-alleged-nationwide-fraud-health-care-benefit-program-retired
Sounds like Portis did it once. probbaly bought some 10k medical equipment, sent receipt for reimbursement, got reimbursed, returned medical equipment.
Buffalo Bob 12-13-2019, 10:39 AM My first choice was "criminal man is bad" but I went with that instead.
Let's call him what he is. A vile, degenerate, lowlife piece of human scum who is the most despicable man to walk the face of the earth. Is that better?
Defrauding a multi-billion dollar sports league is what I like to call a poor choice, but how does it rate compared to what OJ or Vick did? I'd like to know more about where white collar crime rates on your scale compared to violent, or blue collar crime.
You called a player beating a dude unconscious a "poor choice" I figured you would also say OJ made "poor choices." Portis also stuck up for Michael Vick, so that puts him in the same class.
SunnySide 12-13-2019, 10:53 AM A despicable act. Since the program they defrauded has a finite amount of funds available they stole money that could have been given to people who really needed help.
Portis didnt steal any money from any other players.
Allows up to 350k for each former player per year for out-of-pocket medical expenses. So Portis made a bogus claim against the potential 350k he could get reimbursed. Whether Portis uses or doesnt use the full 350k alloted to him doesnt effect any other players ability to access their 350k.
Fraud is fraud but the charges against Portis are for a one time fraudulent act ...
mooby 12-13-2019, 12:53 PM You called a player beating a dude unconscious a "poor choice" I figured you would also say OJ made "poor choices." Portis also stuck up for Michael Vick, so that puts him in the same class.
You speak like someone who's never been in a fight.
The video doesn't tell the whole story. It shows the part where he beat a man up, but the line between beating someone up and beating them unconscious is real thin. Men have died from being hit with a single punch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27wUIbX_jII) before.
It's real easy to criticize from the sideline, but if you've ever been in that spot before where another man tries to start shit you'd know restraining yourself is easier said than done.
And just to be clear, I'm not sure if Montae was the aggressor or if the other guy tried to start shit. But yes, I qualify getting into a fight as a poor choice. I also qualify trying to rip off the NFL's healthcare reimbursement program as another poor choice. You act like I'm trying to make excuses for their actions. I'm not. Convict Portis, and punish him. He broke the law. But your double standard is appalling when you are more than willing to give Trump a pass for any action he does just because of the office he holds.
Buffalo Bob 12-13-2019, 01:42 PM Portis didnt steal any money from any other players.
Allows up to 350k for each former player per year for out-of-pocket medical expenses. So Portis made a bogus claim against the potential 350k he could get reimbursed. Whether Portis uses or doesnt use the full 350k alloted to him doesnt effect any other players ability to access their 350k.
Fraud is fraud but the charges against Portis are for a one time fraudulent act ...
Maybe I read it wrong, I thought there was a limited amount of money in the pool to help former players.
Chico23231 12-13-2019, 01:51 PM You speak like someone who's never been in a fight.
The video doesn't tell the whole story. It shows the part where he beat a man up, but the line between beating someone up and beating them unconscious is real thin. Men have died from being hit with a single punch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27wUIbX_jII) before.
It's real easy to criticize from the sideline, but if you've ever been in that spot before where another man tries to start shit you'd know restraining yourself is easier said than done.
And just to be clear, I'm not sure if Montae was the aggressor or if the other guy tried to start shit. But yes, I qualify getting into a fight as a poor choice. I also qualify trying to rip off the NFL's healthcare reimbursement program as another poor choice. You act like I'm trying to make excuses for their actions. I'm not. Convict Portis, and punish him. He broke the law. But your double standard is appalling when you are more than willing to give Trump a pass for any action he does just because of the office he holds.
Mooby go to the penalty box for bringing up your boy outside of the debating the enemy threads aka what I refer as the "fun zone"
Buffalo Bob 12-13-2019, 02:19 PM You speak like someone who's never been in a fight.
The video doesn't tell the whole story. It shows the part where he beat a man up, but the line between beating someone up and beating them unconscious is real thin. Men have died from being hit with a single punch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27wUIbX_jII) before.
It's real easy to criticize from the sideline, but if you've ever been in that spot before where another man tries to start shit you'd know restraining yourself is easier said than done.
And just to be clear, I'm not sure if Montae was the aggressor or if the other guy tried to start shit. But yes, I qualify getting into a fight as a poor choice. I also qualify trying to rip off the NFL's healthcare reimbursement program as another poor choice. You act like I'm trying to make excuses for their actions. I'm not. Convict Portis, and punish him. He broke the law. But your double standard is appalling when you are more than willing to give Trump a pass for any action he does just because of the office he holds.
I boxed as an amateur on and off for 9 years from the age of 14-23. I got in 3 fights in 2 days attending a new Jr High in the mid 70's as kids made fun of my clothes. I was bullied because I skipped a grade and less than average size till High School I hit a major growth spurt between freshman and sophomore year while also living in the weight room and playing football. Then I got in a lot of fights defending people that were bullied as I once was. I am guessing I have probably logged more fighting minutes than everyone in here combined.
Anyway in my youth I would rather scare someone into backing down than fight. I have actually been punched by people that lost their cool and hit me, people that I could have destroyed easily and I just turned and walked away.
If I got in a fight and the other person wanted no more, I was done.
My claim to fame was having a strong chin and had good power, Tex Cobb was my hero. Usually if you just look at someone after you took their best shot the fight is over, no reason to go beat them half to death.
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