Buffalo Bob
12-09-2019, 10:33 AM
The fact is Haskins doesn't look good but he's also a rookie that played 1 year in college.. There is no reason to call him a bust yet, now if he sucks next yr then yeah he's a bust most likely
That is not an excuse to throw wild passes and not have your feet set so you can throw the ball with some kind of accuracy.
I don't understand why people ignore this. His terrible fundamentals have nothing to do with a lack of starts in college. Live snaps in a game are not where a QB works on his footwork. I am pretty sure I could find a 5th grade flag football QB more fundamentally sound as Haskins.
skinsfaninok
12-09-2019, 10:46 AM
I don't understand why people ignore this. His terrible fundamentals have nothing to do with a lack of starts in college. Live snaps in a game are not where a QB works on his footwork. I am pretty sure I could find a 5th grade flag football QB more fundamentally sound as Haskins.
No it doesn't have much to do with mechanics but I'm also talking about experience in general, in all fairness its not like Keenum was setting the world on fire either and he's a seasoned vet. I'm all for drafting Joe Burrow but if you do that he better be the guy for sure.
Buffalo Bob
12-09-2019, 11:17 AM
That is not an excuse to throw wild passes and not have your feet set so you can throw the ball with some kind of accuracy.
What baffles me about Haskins is he will display poor techniques with a clean pocket and open throwing lanes. I can't recall seeing anyone in the NFL do this. Until that garbage is cleaned up it won't matter what talent is around him and who is calling the plays.
tsmia4fun
12-09-2019, 01:43 PM
Sorry,I'm new to this...so not sure how to put my response in order.lol
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skinsfaninok
12-09-2019, 02:10 PM
Anyone notice how much better the pass defense is without Norman?
skinsfan69
12-09-2019, 02:36 PM
What baffles me about Haskins is he will display poor techniques with a clean pocket and open throwing lanes. I can't recall seeing anyone in the NFL do this. Until that garbage is cleaned up it won't matter what talent is around him and who is calling the plays.
Well Pat Mahomes is one guy who is all over the place with his mechanics but it doesn't matter. If a coach came in to KC and tried to fix him that would be the dumbest coach ever. He can still play at the highest level throwing off his back foot just cause he's an elite player. DH is not that.
skinsfan69
12-09-2019, 02:40 PM
Anyone notice how much better the pass defense is without Norman?
IDK about that. They still had a chance to get off the field on a 3rd and 14 in the 4th q and they gave up a big play. And it was the same two guys, Montae and Moreau. Montae is just not a good free safety at all. He is a backup at best.
Buffalo Bob
12-09-2019, 03:07 PM
Well Pat Mahomes is one guy who is all over the place with his mechanics but it doesn't matter. If a coach came in to KC and tried to fix him that would be the dumbest coach ever. He can still play at the highest level throwing off his back foot just cause he's an elite player. DH is not that.
I honestly have not seen Mahomes play much. Brett Favre used to throw mechanics all to hell when he was under duress and often get away with it, but he is the all time leader in throwing interceptions. The deal with Haskins is he throws side armed, off his back foot, etc,etc when he has a clean pocket and open throwing lanes.
skinsfaninok
12-09-2019, 03:17 PM
I honestly have not seen Mahomes play much. Brett Favre used to throw mechanics all to hell when he was under duress and often get away with it, but he is the all time leader in throwing interceptions. The deal with Haskins is he throws side armed, off his back foot, etc,etc when he has a clean pocket and open throwing lanes.
Mahomes gets away with it because he is very accurate, Dwayne is not so he can't pull the same shit. He pretty much has to pick apart teams from the pocket and that also has to be helped by his OC / Playmakers
Warthog
12-09-2019, 06:09 PM
I’ve been saying Haskins needs a very good QB coach. He has happy feet because he is under a lot of pressure most of the time and it even translates to well protected plays. HOWEVER, he does throw better when he is protected.
The real question is whether we roll the dice on drafting TUA, because Burrow will be gone by our draft pick. Tua is super accurate and would have been the NUMBER ONE draft pick before his hip injury. But now questions are out there about his durability and long-term health in the NFL. Only Tua has the long-term “IT” factor that is worth giving up on Haskins after half a season of poor coaching, lousy playcalling, crappy OL and throwing to a rookie WR group.
If Haskins shows no sign of improvement then this will be the first and most difficult decision for the next HC and GM. Who do we draft in 2020 with our first round draft pick? Do we pass up on Chase Young, who would take Kerrigan’s spot and energize and lead a young and talented defense? Do we pass up on an OT (Thomas) who will protect the QB’s back for a decade? With the proper QB and OC coaching and surrounded by a decent offense do we totally give up on Haskins, as we did for Cousins, Crowder, Preston Smith, Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan? All players and coachs who have FLOURISHED and improved after leaving this dumpster fire of a team and coaching?
Haskins may end up being a draft bust, just like RG3, Jason Campbell and Shuler before him. But we have left a lot of really good, excellent and perhaps with time, great players and coaches leave this team. The decision the new HC has: Haskins or Tua, will define this team for a decade. It’s not an easy decision. Only TUA offers the promise of bring an outstanding QB and is worth using our Uber-high draft pick and effectively giving up on Haskins.
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