Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins

That is speculation too. I am more of an innocent until proven guilty kind of guy, but if you are going to force me to choose sides based on speculation alone I would say I trust TW way more than our FO.

It seems to me that you are more of a guilty until proven innocent type of guy. Williams is the accuser here.

Now he's the one that doesn't want an independent investigation? The Redskins offered to fire anyone on their medical staff that was responsible and Williams said he didn't want to cause anyone to lose their job. Huh? You claim that they told you not to worry about a cancerous growth and you don't want them fired? Now the Redskins request the League and the players union that an independent investigation be run to get to the bottom of it and Williams tells the union he doesn't want an investigation. Why on earth not?

Bruce Allen has proven to be absolutely terrible for this team, but in this one instance, it is looking like the player is probably the one that isn't being truthful.

It seems to me that you are more of a guilty until proven innocent type of guy. Williams is the accuser here.

Now he's the one that doesn't want an independent investigation? The Redskins offered to fire anyone on their medical staff that was responsible and Williams said he didn't want to cause anyone to lose their job. Huh? You claim that they told you not to worry about a cancerous growth and you don't want them fired? Now the Redskins request the League and the players union that an independent investigation be run to get to the bottom of it and Williams tells the union he doesn't want an investigation. Why on earth not?

Bruce Allen has proven to be absolutely terrible for this team, but in this one instance, it is looking like the player is probably the one that isn't being truthful.

Agree that TW handled this poorly not sure what your point is.

Agree that TW handled this poorly not sure what your point is.

You said that if forced to decide who to believe on this, you would choose Williams. I'm simply pointing out that the Redskins offered to fire anyone responsible and he said he doesn't want anyone to lose their job -- and then when the Redskins requested that the League and union investigate independently, Williams said he doesn't want that. To me, it is really hard to believe Williams when he's the one that wants the matter not looked into. He leveled an accusation, but doesn't want anyone investigating to find the truth.

There are no winners in this fight, Bruce Allen is a loser, Trent Williams should've been traded long ago to the highest bidder, and there is no concrete info available (other than Trent Williams had a mass removed from his scalp) so there is no easy way to pick a side. Everyone is at fault here.

The big thing I blame Trent for is implicating its' the Redskins fault it wasn't taken seriously to start with, and now for backing down when the NFLPA wants to do its' investigation to counteract the Redskins ongoing investigation. How are we supposed to know if there's any truth to Trent's claims if he won't allow the NFLPA to investigate?

If Trent wants to shit-talk the Redskins at every opportunity for how they've handled this, it reflects poorly on him that he won't allow the NFLPA to investigate his accusations. You brought it this far, it has to be allowed to proceed so we can actually determine if the Redskins docs are to blame. The fact Trent doesn't want it to go forward makes me want to believe he's the one to blame for not taking it seriously in the first place.

And now there's nothing left to do except let him sit out the rest of the season and trade him in the offseason. It's terrible handling by both parties that is has been allowed to come this far.

There are no winners in this fight, Bruce Allen is a loser, Trent Williams should've been traded long ago to the highest bidder, and there is no concrete info available (other than Trent Williams had a mass removed from his scalp) so there is no easy way to pick a side. Everyone is at fault here.

And now there's nothing left to do except let him sit out the rest of the season and trade him in the offseason. It's terrible handling by both parties that is has been allowed to come this far.

All this. Everyone is a loser in this. Should have never gotten this far but here we are.

I get that but you are treating this like an isolated incident.
You can't just blame the player every time. This isn't a Su'a Cravens situation, respected players are speaking out.

No everyone has an axe to grind. This shit is just reality at Redskins Park.


Here is a comment Tim Hightower made on @redskinstoday instagram in regards to Casserlys comments about TW.
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Hightower is using a strawman fallacy. He's claiming that Casserly said Trent chose not to treat his illness because he wanted more money. Thats not what Casserly said at all. He said Trent didnt heed the specialists advice (presumably not a member of the redskins staff) that he have surgery. Then 3 years later, Trent is asking for more money. One was not related to the other.

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/11/4/20947866/nflpa-trent-williams-asked-us-not-to-pursue-a-formal-investigation-of-his-medical-records

What does it mean when one side wants an investigator combing through records and the other side doesn't?

Just a side note here, if TW had been traded...and then failed that team's physical, which seems entirely possible now, then the trade is null and void correct? Meaning...even if they had traded him, they might still be exactly where they are now. A complete f'ng mess.

Just a side note here, if TW had been traded...and then failed that team's physical, which seems entirely possible now, then the trade is null and void correct? Meaning...even if they had traded him, they might still be exactly where they are now. A complete f'ng mess.

As long as he has a helmet he's comfortable with he won't fail a physical.

Hightower is using a strawman fallacy. He's claiming that Casserly said Trent chose not to treat his illness because he wanted more money. Thats not what Casserly said at all. He said Trent didnt heed the specialists advice (presumably not a member of the redskins staff) that he have surgery. Then 3 years later, Trent is asking for more money. One was not related to the other.

What Hightower is saying is that if a doc had explained the severity to him 3 years ago, Trent would not have ignored it. I imagine it was somewhere in the middle, the staff told him he might want to get it checked out just to be safe. It probably wasnt even cancerous when the Skins staff told Trent something about it.

Casserly needs to watch it though. The NFLPA statement was saying he essentially violated HIPAA by using an anonymous source (cough Bruce cough) to disclose Trent's private medical information. The NFLPA statement was also saying they wont stand by and allow one sided "anonymous sources" to be published on the NFL Network to smear an NFL player.

I work peripherally with HIPAA and it only applies to medical organizations doing the disclosure .. so Casserly is not subject to a HIPAA violation but Id bet Bruce may be as part of the Skins and perhaps CBA language.

Authorizations are for allowing authorizations for medically necessary and related purposes, usually to a defined and named parties ... not for being leaked to the media to smear a patient in public.

It all stinks, Bruce sucks, Trent should have been traded and we should be sitting on 2 top 10 draft picks ... instead we get to play the leak game where fans sit around and decide how much or how little to trust each individual anonymous" leak ... one drip at a time.