rocnrik
12-13-2019, 04:08 PM
And he'll be on a rookie contract for at least three more years so there's no reason to do anything but continue to give him time.
But the key question for me, given our draft position, is this:
If Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, or Justin Herbert are available to us when we pick, would you pass them up and hope Haskins develops into what you want? Or do you snap up a new QB under the thinking that we don't know when we'll draft this high again and get a chance like this?
It's a huge question a new GM / President / Head Coach with Player Personnel (hopefully ANYBODY but Bruce) will have to answer.
I pull the trigger on the new QB, especially if it's Burrow. I'm not hanging my success or failure on the snail's pace development of Dwayne Haskins. I don't care if you keep Haskins and let him compete with a new draft pick, or you trade him away for pennies on the dollar. If I'm in love with a QB in this draft, I don't hesitate to cast Haskins aside like a pair of underwear with holes in the crotch.
I totally agree with this !!!!
Warthog
12-13-2019, 07:12 PM
I wonder what it would look like just based on his starts and not including the two mop up duty games
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Look where Kirk cousins is on that chart- near the top.
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Buffalo Bob
12-13-2019, 07:48 PM
Per Gregg Rosenthal tweet:
Since taking over as the Washington starter in Week 9, Dwayne Haskins’ PFF grade is 17th out of 38 qualifiers.
Not great, not walk him off the plank bad either. Draft Chase Young or Andrew Thomas.
I would be interested how they use fun with numbers to come up with that as he is on the bottom or close to it in most all statistical categories.
In his 5 starts he has completed 55% of his passes, been sacked 22 times and averages 137 net passing yards a game and PFF claims that grades out as average? You can't be serious, utter nonsense.
sdskinsfan2001
12-13-2019, 09:24 PM
I would be interested how they use fun with numbers to come up with that as he is on the bottom or close to it in most all statistical categories.
In his 5 starts he has completed 55% of his passes, been sacked 22 times and averages 137 net passing yards a game and PFF claims that grades out as average? You can't be serious, utter nonsense.
I have no idea how PFF grades their games/players. But I know its a widely used tool. Not an end all/be all by any stretch. I'm sure there are other legit sources that have him lower. Just another tool to use.
skinsfaninok
12-13-2019, 09:47 PM
I would be interested how they use fun with numbers to come up with that as he is on the bottom or close to it in most all statistical categories.
In his 5 starts he has completed 55% of his passes, been sacked 22 times and averages 137 net passing yards a game and PFF claims that grades out as average? You can't be serious, utter nonsense.
We don't look at stats while grading players, I can see how you would think its nonsense and fake but his grades are 17th in that span due to his QB Grades. Every throw is graded and say he has a game with 5 drops (he did) that doesn't hurt him but the completion % doesn't take that into consideration.
skinsfaninok
12-13-2019, 09:52 PM
I have no idea how PFF grades their games/players. But I know its a widely used tool. Not an end all/be all by any stretch. I'm sure there are other legit sources that have him lower. Just another tool to use.
Players are graded by every snap they take via coaches film through 3 levels (the last being graded by former NFL/NCAA players or coaches) So say I grade a game by Haskins Sunday night, that gets looked over by a reviewer (former coach) then the final step is always Bruce Gradkowski who is our QB guy.
All 32 teams use the grading system and all D1 Power 5 schools as well
Buffalo Bob
12-13-2019, 09:53 PM
We don't look at stats while grading players, I can see how you would think its nonsense and fake but his grades are 17th in that span due to his QB Grades. Every throw is graded and say he has a game with 5 drops (he did) that doesn't hurt him but the completion % doesn't take that into consideration.
Do the grades take sacks into consideration? Those are drive killers and most are on Haskins for holding the ball too long. Also every QB has drops. In fact his completion % should be lower if he would throw the ball away instead of taking sacks. What about his 137 net yards a game?
DYoungJelly
12-13-2019, 09:57 PM
I would be interested how they use fun with numbers to come up with that as he is on the bottom or close to it in most all statistical categories.
In his 5 starts he has completed 55% of his passes, been sacked 22 times and averages 137 net passing yards a game and PFF claims that grades out as average? You can't be serious, utter nonsense.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb/2019
DVOA and DYAR aren't the be all end all but I really like them because they account for more factors than most metrics and are 100% empirical.
AND both are adjusted for opponent.
They do not have a subjective component like QBR.
Haskins is dead last in both in DYAR by a huge margin and tied for last in DVOA with Josh Rosen.
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skinsfaninok
12-13-2019, 09:59 PM
Do the grades take sacks into consideration? Those are drive killers and most are on Haskins for holding the ball too long. Also every QB has drops. In fact his completion % should be lower if he would throw the ball away instead of taking sacks. What about his 137 net yards a game?
Yes , if he has a clean pocket through his progression and still gets sacked that's a negative grade on him. Clean pocket for us consist of if he can get to his 2nd read, if he's hit before that 2nd read it's not a negative grade just given a 0 for the play.
DYoungJelly
12-13-2019, 10:11 PM
Players are graded by every snap they take via coaches film through 3 levels (the last being graded by former NFL/NCAA players or coaches) So say I grade a game by Haskins Sunday night, that gets looked over by a reviewer (former coach) then the final step is always Bruce Gradkowski who is our QB guy.
All 32 teams use the grading system and all D1 Power 5 schools as wellHow do all 32 teams use the grading system?
Specifically, how do the Redskins use the grading system?
And what evidence do you have to support that statement?
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