3-4 vs. 4-3

me too, said it last yr but will he come to this shit?

Pride and $$$, yeah, I think we can get just about any coordinator to be our HC. Only 32 jobs available, risky game to pass on any of them.

More and more teams are using 11 personnel formations on offense. And that would dictate a nickel defense as a minimum to match up against that. I think I saw a stat that on Sundays Cowboys/Redskins game, that Dallas used 11 personnel on over 70% of their offense snaps.

Not familiar with the term 11 personnel, but if 4-3 is your base, you can drop to a 4-2-5 if you want an extra guy to help defend the pass when the down and distance dictates it.

I mainly want a 4-3 because I think it fits Sweat, Kerrigan, and all our DTs better.

Not familiar with the term 11 personnel, but if 4-3 is your base, you can drop to a 4-2-5 if you want an extra guy to help defend the pass.

I mainly want a 4-3 because I think it fits Sweat, Kerrigan, and all our DTs better.

11 personnel = 3WR, 1TE, 1RB

Base 3-4, strength is the LBs. Against 11 pers, would need to put more DBs, taking away some of the strength of the 3-4.

11 personnel = 3WR, 1TE, 1RB

Base 3-4, strength is the LBs. Against 11 pers, would need to put more DBs, taking away some of the strength of the 3-4.

Got it. Yeah, that seems to be the new normal. Would be interesting to know the league wide % of that group throughout the NFL thru 1st 2 weeks.

One of the most overrated fan debates is the 34 vs 43

I honestly dont put any stock in "3-4 v 4-3" because we, like the entire league, are in nickel the most. I dont think the coaches on the Skins care about a potential player fitting 3-4 or 4-3 either.

I do wonder if we somewhat misuse edge guys. Sweat, Preston Smith and (to a degree) Ryan Anderson should be hand in dirt players and not hybrid asked to cover the flat or RB out of the back field and definitely under no circumstances asked to cover the slot.

2018 we were in base 34% and nickel 63%.

"11" personnel has been the thing for a few years now. It spreads the ball out, you can get your slot guy covered by a LB sometimes, you can put guys in motion to see how the D shifts, can bring a defender from the LOS and open some run gashes.

Defensive Personnel Frequency
Team Base Rk NickelRk Dime+Rk
CLE 66% 1 31% 29 1% 27
LAR 58% 2 37% 25 2% 23
CAR 50% 3 49% 20 0% 32
IND 42% 4 44% 23 11% 14
DEN 41% 5 27% 32 30% 5
PIT 38% 6 36% 26 24% 7
HOU 38% 7 34% 28 24% 8
NYJ 37% 8 53% 18 8% 16
MIA 36% 9 60% 14 1% 25
SF 36% 10 45% 22 15% 10
TB 36% 11 62% 11 0% 30
OAK 35% 12 57% 16 7% 17
WAS 34% 13 63% 10 2% 24
JAX 33% 14 66% 6 0% 29
BUF 33% 15 66% 5 0% 31
BAL 30% 16 40% 24 28% 6
Team Base Rk Nickel Rk Dime+ Rk
CHI 30% 17 64% 9 5% 20
CIN 30% 18 67% 4 1% 26
TEN 30% 19 64% 8 5% 19
DET 29% 20 52% 19 15% 11
NYG 29% 21 60% 15 11% 13
SEA 29% 22 68% 3 3% 21
KC 27% 23 29% 30 42% 3
ARI 27% 24 65% 7 7% 18
PHI 27% 25 60% 13 10% 15
LAC 26% 26 27% 31 46% 1
DAL 25% 27 55% 17 20% 9
ATL 24% 28 72% 2 2% 22
NO 23% 29 61% 12 13% 12
GB 23% 30 34% 27 42% 2
MIN 21% 31 77% 1 0% 28
NE 15% 32 48% 21 37% 4
Avg 33% -- 52% -- 13% --

I cant post links yet so I cut n pasted from football outsiders

edit - 2017 stats, NOT 2018 .. apologies

They've been running a lot of 4 man fronts where Sweat and Kerrigan are basically 4-3 ends w/ their hand in the dirt. I really didn't see too many base 3-4's yesterday. So to me it really isn't an issue. The issue is lack of coverage skills and a total lack of a pass rush.

Nicholson - Fast, zero discipline
Apke - Fast, not very good
Moreau - Fast and injured

Speed is definitely a concern. Even with the speed guys we have, we have issues.

It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.

It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.

Apke at corner? Hes a project at safety projected to be out of the league in 3.3 years