Trade Deadline Moves

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Chico23231
10-23-2018, 10:00 AM
Preston played really well against the Boys...Im hoping this trends up, we need him.

CRedskinsRule
10-23-2018, 10:06 AM
Did you forget what Trent Murphy got in FA?

by their logic, if we didn't keep him it doesn't matter, and if the player wasn't so great that we were willing to pay any price for a second contract for a 2nd or 3rd rounder than the FO missed on that pick.

sandtrapjack
10-23-2018, 10:10 AM
Some people never learn. It's not a good trade at all. The guy can't catch and will want a new deal. As Matty mentioned, just draft Ridley or be patient and wait until the 19 draft. Cowboys aren't going anywhere anyway w/ Dak under center.

Had some time to roast on this. It is not great, probably still not good either, but not as bad as I thought. I figure this trade is not so much to do with Cooper, but with Prescott.

I did the math after Witten and Bryant departed in the off-season. In the previous 3 years before they left, Bryant and Witten accounted for 40% of the total passing yardage for 3 seasons. 1 with Romo, 2 with Prescott. So the front office took A LOT away from Dak. They realize they may have taken too much away.

Prescott is a 4th rounder from the 2016 draft and under the standard 4 year rookie deal. But as a 4th rounder, there is no 5th year option. In other words, he is a Free Agent in 2020. So this season is 'his' year. If he is going to get that 'Franchise QB contract' with Dallas, it will be in the off-season. Or he does not get one. Plays 2019-2020 under the last year of his rookie deal and is a UFA in 2020.

For 2018 and 2019, Cooper is set to make $700,000 for 2018 and $13.9 million in the 2019 season. Dallas inherits that deal with the trade.

So Dallas is really paying half of that $700,000 for the remainder of 2018 season to see if Dak is the guy. It is a $350,000 investment to see if you are going to gamble on Prescott as your franchise QB after this year with a $50 PLUS million dollar contract extension.

Either way, Cooper will get a contract extension in the off season. That will erase the $13.9 owed in 2019 from his previous contract and spread that extension over 5 years. So Dallas is really only in the hole $350,000 this year because half of the season he spent in Oakland.

Not worried as much now. Except if Dak ain't it (which I am convinced he is NOT), we do not have a 1st rounder in 2019 to draft a QB.

A little perspective on Coopers age. Amari Cooper is 24. This December, Calvin Ridley (the guy I wanted in the 1st round this year) Calvin Ridley turns 24. So if Dallas signs Cooper to a 5 year extension, that takes him to age 30....not bad.

Chico23231
10-23-2018, 10:27 AM
The whole problem I see with Amari Cooper, the steady trend down. Cooper is gonna want 50 mill guaranteed in an extension. Forget Dak, are you OK giving that extension to Cooper? Start there

BaltimoreSkins
10-23-2018, 10:29 AM
I do think this trade will benefit Dak. In giving him options and opening up the secondary more. Of course he has to prove he can make more accurate passes for this to pay off.

OmahaRedskins
10-23-2018, 10:31 AM
That sounds promising, but what happens if he does not sign an extension or renegotiated. 13.9 is a lot of money, especially when Dak is going to cost you 25 - 30 a year.

sandtrapjack
10-23-2018, 10:46 AM
That sounds promising, but what happens if he does not sign an extension or renegotiated. 13.9 is a lot of money, especially when Dak is going to cost you 25 - 30 a year.

Release him. The contract he signed in Oakland is fully guaranteed in the last year, but only if he remains in Oakland.

sandtrapjack
10-23-2018, 10:49 AM
The whole problem I see with Amari Cooper, the steady trend down. Cooper is gonna want 50 mill guaranteed in an extension. Forget Dak, are you OK giving that extension to Cooper? Start there

4 years in and 2 Pro Bowls and 2-1000 plus yard seasons.

I am of the opinion his down trend started when Crabtree left.

JoeRedskin
10-23-2018, 11:05 AM
by their logic, if we didn't keep him it doesn't matter, and if the player wasn't so great that we were willing to pay any price for a second contract for a 2nd or 3rd rounder than the FO missed on that pick.

I am not going back to go through a pick by pick analysis of every draft after the disaster that was 2012. With that said, however, the team seems to me to be creating a solid base of young players and, when the time for 2nd contracts come around, picking and choosing their players. We let Long, Breeland, and Murphy walk, but kept Moses and extended Dunbar. We have also been proactive in keeping certain players - the aforementioned Dunbar, C. Thomas, and Reed were all extended at reasonable costs.

[A note about Anderson for the haters, in limited snaps against Dallas, he had a sack, solo tackle, and 2 QB hits. While not a world-beater, he does seem to be trending up.]

Our drafts since 2013 have landed us several quality players beyond the first three rounds (Ioaniddas, Nicholson, Roullier, Crowder).

True, in some cases, hindsight has demonstrated that better players were available at each of our selections. However, in many cases, I suspect the reverse was just as true.

Since 2013, we have drafted solidly if not spectacularly. Just an opinion, feel free to disprove me through a pick by pick analysis that isn't JUST based on hindsight.

jamf
10-23-2018, 12:50 PM
I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick or cooper isnt worth next years number one or that dak isnt a franchise. Or that every team hits and misses on picks.

You dismiss quality starters on this current team and pine for that one or two special players that 31 other gms passed atleast once on. Our FO has a solid foundation on this team and effectively moves around during the draft to gain more picks and players they want. Our defensive depth is particularly good, consider we let 2 quality corners go one in a trade and one to avoid the big payday he wanted and we plugged young rookie talent in with little or no dropoff.

You may not like the players but out of those two lists and excluding ones from before BA FO they are all starter quality players other then one headcase and one running back

If you want to go that route then Brandon Scherff isn't worth a 5th overall since he is a Guard. Elliot has produced big time for Dallas(Thankfully not on sunday!) and production not hype is all that matters in the end and for the record, i'm glad we have Scherff.

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