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Daseal 10-22-2018, 04:27 PM Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.
Cooper drops balls, no doubt - he's also had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Something none of our receivers are going to sniff and we haven't for a long time. When it comes to Gordon, he also has substance abuse issues and is one screw up from never playing again, he's older than Cooper, and was coming off not playing the past 3 seasons.
Let's look at our history of 3rd round picks (reverse chronological order):
Geron Christian
Fabian Monreau
Kendall Fuller
Matt Jones
Morgan Moses
Spencer Long
Jordan Reed
Outside Reed, Moses, and maybe Fuller (not evaluating Christian yet) - I'd take Amari over the rest. Even with inconsistency. That's why I'd be willing to give up a 3rd for a young player that has had impressive production even with a major, but fixable, flaw.
I think a 1st was too much, especially with the contract costs that will come with it so I'm glad the skins didn't try to pursue, but I don't think a 3rd for Cooper is crazy. I'd definitely take Cooper over Gordon. Rather have a guy that can be on the field to catch balls rather than a constantly suspended player. The Redskins locker room also isn't as strong as the Patriots.
Cooper drops balls, no doubt - he's also had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Something none of our receivers are going to sniff and we haven't for a long time. When it comes to Gordon, he also has substance abuse issues and is one screw up from never playing again, he's older than Cooper, and was coming off not playing the past 3 seasons.
Let's look at our history of 3rd round picks (reverse chronological order):
Geron Christian
Fabian Monreau
Kendall Fuller
Matt Jones
Morgan Moses
Spencer Long
Jordan Reed
Outside Reed, Moses, and maybe Fuller (not evaluating Christian yet) - I'd take Amari over the rest. Even with inconsistency. That's why I'd be willing to give up a 3rd for a young player that has had impressive production even with a major, but fixable, flaw.
I think a 1st was too much, especially with the contract costs that will come with it so I'm glad the skins didn't try to pursue, but I don't think a 3rd for Cooper is crazy. I'd definitely take Cooper over Gordon. Rather have a guy that can be on the field to catch balls rather than a constantly suspended player. The Redskins locker room also isn't as strong as the Patriots.
Our 2nd Round picks have been less productive than our 3rds!
Going back 10 years:
2008: Thomas, Davis, Kelly
2011: Jarvis Jenkins
2013: Amerson
2014: Murphy
2015: Preston Smith
2016: Pussy ass bitch
2017: Anderson
2018: Guice
I have a lot of hope for Guice but our 2nd rounders have been cursed.
CRedskinsRule 10-22-2018, 04:59 PM I look at those lists (particularly recent) and see these guys:
Geron Christian (too early for judgement)
Fabian Monreau - starter
Kendall Fuller -starter
Matt Jones miss
Morgan Moses - starter
Spencer Long -still in league
Jordan Reed -starter
2014: Murphy still in league
2015: Preston Smith starter
2016: Pussy ass bitch IR yeah he is
2017: Anderson starter
2018: Guice IR, too early to tell
You guys are crazy if you think, in general, other gm's are far exceeding our FO in terms of draft picks.
CRedskinsRule 10-22-2018, 05:05 PM Sounds like Cowboys fans aren't very happy, but seems like this gives them a threat receiver they didn't have. His drops are a concern, but it's a risk/reward move.
Of course, I don't know what receivers are coming out in the draft, but we all know there are not many sure fire hits on WR's in the draft.
I look at those lists (particularly recent) and see these guys:
Geron Christian (too early for judgement)
Fabian Monreau - starter
Kendall Fuller -starter
Matt Jones miss
Morgan Moses - starter
Spencer Long -still in league
Jordan Reed -starter
2014: Murphy still in league
2015: Preston Smith starter
2016: Pussy ass bitch IR yeah he is
2017: Anderson starter
2018: Guice IR, too early to tell
You guys are crazy if you think, in general, other gm's are far exceeding our FO in terms of draft picks.
This team has not benefited from the draft like the top half of the league.
Half those players you listed aren't even on our roster right now.
Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.
Anderson isn't a starter. I would like to see more of him and he is improving but he isn't a starter. also most of us wanted Kamara with that pick.
Bruce has talked about building through the draft and taking care of our own players. Well... out of his 70+ players drafted while he's been here, only 12 or 13 are currently contributing to the team.
CRed, I'm not letting this one go.
Our drafts suck and I'm willing to have a televised deathmatch over this. We can go pick by pick grading players and what they are currently doing for THIS team.
I'll concede that this years draft looks good if you acknowledge that BA made a monumental screw up by letting Dallas have Pro-Bowler Demarcus Lawrence.
CRedskinsRule 10-22-2018, 07:07 PM This team has not benefited from the draft like the top half of the league.
Half those players you listed aren't even on our roster right now.
Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.
Anderson isn't a starter. I would like to see more of him and he is improving but he isn't a starter. also most of us wanted Kamara with that pick.
Bruce has talked about building through the draft and taking care of our own players. Well... out of his 70+ players drafted while he's been here, only 12 or 13 are currently contributing to the team.
CRed, I'm not letting this one go.
Our drafts suck and I'm willing to have a televised deathmatch over this. We can go pick by pick grading players and what they are currently doing for THIS team.
I'll concede that this years draft looks good if you acknowledge that BA made a monumental screw up by letting Dallas have Pro-Bowler Demarcus Lawrence.
I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick or cooper isnt worth next years number one or that dak isnt a franchise. Or that every team hits and misses on picks.
You dismiss quality starters on this current team and pine for that one or two special players that 31 other gms passed atleast once on. Our FO has a solid foundation on this team and effectively moves around during the draft to gain more picks and players they want. Our defensive depth is particularly good, consider we let 2 quality corners go one in a trade and one to avoid the big payday he wanted and we plugged young rookie talent in with little or no dropoff.
You may not like the players but out of those two lists and excluding ones from before BA FO they are all starter quality players other then one headcase and one running back
Preston Smith wouldn’t start elsewhere?? Is this for real?
sevier2 10-22-2018, 09:15 PM Preston Smith wouldn’t start elsewhere?? Is this for real?
Yeah that threw me off as well...
P. Smith will most definitely be a starter next year, wherever he is, and most likely a highly paid one.
Irrefutable 10-22-2018, 11:14 PM Yeah that threw me off as well...
P. Smith will most definitely be a starter next year, wherever he is, and most likely a highly paid one.
Really, Smith disappears in about half of the games.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitPr00.htm
GridIron26 10-23-2018, 08:15 AM Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.
Did you forget what Trent Murphy got in FA?
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