When is Enough, Enough? Bruce Allen Edition

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jamf
10-09-2018, 05:35 PM
To be fair, we drafted a stud RB and he got hurt. You can't pin injuries on anyone (see Dalvin Cook last year).

I just don't trust Jay's ability to do anything, so I doubt whether talent is the issue if he can't coach.

I don't completely agree with this.
Dalvin Cook and Guice happen from time to time.
What about Lavauo, Doctson, and Reed?

Reed is healthy only because he wasn't used.
He is all world talent but is on a pitch count.

Lavauo breaks down every year yet we didn't have a back up plan for him so we shuffled the line.

Doctson is in the witness protection program.

Ruhskins
10-09-2018, 05:41 PM
I don't completely agree with this.
Dalvin Cook and Guice happen from time to time.
What about Lavauo, Doctson, and Reed?

Reed is healthy only because he wasn't used.
He is all world talent but is on a pitch count.

Lavauo breaks down every year yet we didn't have a back up plan for him so we shuffled the line.

Doctson is in the witness protection program.

Well the plan for guard was Arie Kouandjio, but we all know how that went.

I just feel that Jay has more of a say on personnel matters, especially after this summer when there seem to be reports showing that Allen is on his way out. Combine that with issues in coaching and developing/preparing players (like Doctson) to me he seems more responsible than anyone.

Once again, I do agree Allen needs to go, but I feel he's on the way out. It'll be important to have someone in place to hire the next HC. But some of the issues we are having right now are more of Jay's fault .

mooby
10-09-2018, 10:07 PM
I've been on the fire Allen bandwagon since the Shanahan days, always thought he wanted McC gone because he was jealous of McC getting the credit for building the roster in those days.

The way this season is going I wouldn't be surprised if Gruden and Allen are out. The minimum Gruden needs to do is make the playoffs, but if it's one and done I still wouldn't rule it out.

Allen's football acumen has always been suspect and I'm sure we can find someone equally competent at handling front office matters.

irish
10-10-2018, 11:31 AM
Eh, he canned Vinny twice. Bruce isn't untouchable. It would probably be presented as him stepping down and not being fired.

Agree, the organization wont say he was fired even if he is.

People are checking out on this team in droves and I think its going to get worse before it gets better. There is absolutely no buzz or excitement with this team anymore and as fans go away so does the $. That's the only thing the ownership understands and hopefully they get the message before its too late.

Chico23231
10-10-2018, 12:02 PM
Question, if talent isn't an issue...where do you rank our roster just within the division?

Eagles have a more talented roster...that's an easy one. I think the Giants roster is on par with ours. I think Offensive talent we are better the cowboys...but defensively I think they are equally talented, and maybe give the Cowboys a slight edge.

To say the talent isn't an issue, that's just ignorant....borderline stupid.

Callahan, Tomsula, Kotwica, randy Jordan...these are league-wide, well respected coaches.

irish
10-10-2018, 12:14 PM
Question, if talent isn't an issue...where do you rank our roster just within the division?

Eagles have a more talented roster...that's an easy one. I think the Giants roster is on par with ours. I think Offensive talent we are better the cowboys...but defensively I think they are equally talented, and maybe give the Cowboys a slight edge.

To say the talent isn't an issue, that's just ignorant....borderline stupid.

Callahan, Tomsula, Kotwica, randy Jordan...these are league-wide, well respected coaches.

Totally agree. Talent is still an issue with this team. Sure the roster has some talent but this team has no bonafide superstars. People might say Williams or Kerrigan and they are nice players but nobody would line up to get those guys. Until the talent gets better this team is stuck in the middle.

KI Skins Fan
10-10-2018, 12:27 PM
Eh, he canned Vinny twice. Bruce isn't untouchable. It would probably be presented as him stepping down and not being fired.

He also hired Vinny twice, for some unfathomable reason.

He doesn't need to fire Bruce to make things better. He could simply put Bruce in charge of all things to do with "winning off the field" and tell Bruce to stay the F away from all football related things.

jamf
10-10-2018, 12:51 PM
He also hired Vinny twice, for some unfathomable reason.

He doesn't need to fire Bruce to make things better. He could simply put Bruce in charge of all things to do with "winning off the field" and tell Bruce to stay the F away from all football related things.

They tried that with the McCloughan hiring but that didn't work out because Scott was getting too much praise.

MTK
10-10-2018, 12:57 PM
Question, if talent isn't an issue...where do you rank our roster just within the division?

Eagles have a more talented roster...that's an easy one. I think the Giants roster is on par with ours. I think Offensive talent we are better the cowboys...but defensively I think they are equally talented, and maybe give the Cowboys a slight edge.

To say the talent isn't an issue, that's just ignorant....borderline stupid.

Callahan, Tomsula, Kotwica, randy Jordan...these are league-wide, well respected coaches.

Do you think there's enough talent to win 10 games? I do. Definitely enough talent here to challenge for the division.

MTK
10-10-2018, 12:58 PM
Totally agree. Talent is still an issue with this team. Sure the roster has some talent but this team has no bonafide superstars. People might say Williams or Kerrigan and they are nice players but nobody would line up to get those guys. Until the talent gets better this team is stuck in the middle.

Williams is more than just a nice player. He's an elite LT.

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