Post Dumpster Fire...er Skins vs. Saints Thread

After 4 games

Ryan Kerrigan 1 Sack
Preston Smith 0 sacks.

Holy shit thats bad

it's definitely playoffs or bust for gruden and allen.

playoff win or bust

I've been reserved to jumping on the whole "fire Jay" bandwagon the past couple years, but I think I've finally been persuaded. It's time to get rid of Jay Gruden at the end of the season. His teams have NO discipline whatsoever and it shows every single week regardless of a win or not. Penalties. Blown assignments. It happens over and over and over. At this point, you can't say it's on the players because no matter who the players we've cycled in and out, the common denominator is Jay Gruden.


A good speech from Brian Mitchell out it...

https://twitter.com/NBCSRedskins/status/1049649585310846976


Lets take a look at his record:

2014- (4-12)
2015- (9-7) *won NFCE
2016- (8-7-1)
2017- (7-9)


Look at this. Here we are in year five and the dude STILL doesn't have this team to a playoff caliber level. Let's be real here. 2015 was a fucking fluke. You know it. I know it. Jay knows it. When you win your division with a 9-7 record, it tells you that division sucks. He's produce nothing but mediocrity regardless of the players that have been here. It's time we move on from this experiment. Too bad we let McVay go, he was the guy we needed to keep.

Also, Bruce needs to fucking go right along with Jay.

I'm not saying that we have a team as talented as last year's Rams, but getting rid of Jeff Fisher was the best thing that could have happened to that team.

I think we're on the same boat in terms of coaching.

One positive to point out is, Jonathan Allen has become the leader of the D and will not take shit from anyone. He comes from a winning tradition and hopefully his attitude will rub off on the others.

I’m beginning to dislike DJ, STFU and play the game:

Redskins safety D.J. Swearinger called Saints receiver Michael Thomas a "clown." Swearinger and the other defensive backs complained about what Thomas would do after the whistle, such as hitting them in the leg and other stuff. "He's just a clown; just clowning," Swearinger said. "Just doing little petty stuff after the play. Petty stuff after the play the referees would call if this wasn't history night for Drew Brees. But we had to fight against the refs and all that, too."

Yeah I have to admit I had the same thought, re: the bolded. I don't think there's anything wrong with Smith's arm, but Sunday I watched Cousins deliver strikes while falling backwards under duress from Fletcher Cox as he anticipated receivers running to the open area. And last night I watched Smith hesitate and double clutch until the receiver ran open, and by then it was too late to throw.

In the post-game press conference Gruden is up there saying we need to make sure we get our quarterback into plays he's comfortable with. For me, that translates directly to: we're finding out that our QB isn't comfortable with as much as our old one was.

Not a good sign at all. Bruce Allen should be canned now so a new GM can get in and get organized ahead of the draft.

I agree with everything on this post. It is time for Bruce "I am the son of George" Allen to go. We need new leadership and I have never seen a GM do so poorly and not get fired since.....Vinny "Bag o Doughnuts" Cerrato.
Oh, that was with the Redskins as well. Dayum!

Jay made lots of statements over the summer, almost making sure to throw shade on Cousins, about how much they upgraded at QB, blah blah blah, how they built the team for Alex to win now. And I thought then that he was basically digging his own hole, that if we tanked, he would for sure be fired.

There's a chance for us to recover but I don't really see it happening because making adjustments / changes isn't really Jay's thing. I think that there will be serious consideration on firing Jay if we get beaten badly by the Panthers. I'm not saying fire him after the game, but I would believe they would be talking about firing him at the end of the last game...

But like many smart folks have said on here: Who coaches the team next? Who would want to come and work for Snyder and Allen?

Jay made lots of statements over the summer, almost making sure to throw shade on Cousins, about how much they upgraded at QB, blah blah blah, how they built the team for Alex to win now. And I thought then that he was basically digging his own hole, that if we tanked, he would for sure be fired.

There's a chance for us to recover but I don't really see it happening because making adjustments / changes isn't really Jay's thing. I think that there will be serious consideration on firing Jay if we get beaten badly by the Panthers. I'm not saying fire him after the game, but I would believe they would be talking about firing him at the end of the last game...

But like many smart folks have said on here: Who coaches the team next? Who would want to come and work for Snyder and Allen?

Bill Lazor OC Bengals.

One positive to point out is, Jonathan Allen has become the leader of the D and will not take shit from anyone. He comes from a winning tradition and hopefully his attitude will rub off on the others.

I’m beginning to dislike DJ, STFU and play the game:

Redskins safety D.J. Swearinger called Saints receiver Michael Thomas a "clown." Swearinger and the other defensive backs complained about what Thomas would do after the whistle, such as hitting them in the leg and other stuff. "He's just a clown; just clowning," Swearinger said. "Just doing little petty stuff after the play. Petty stuff after the play the referees would call if this wasn't history night for Drew Brees. But we had to fight against the refs and all that, too."

Jonathan Allen should be made team captain ASAP.

A quick side note, not that this would have mattered but the refs missed a ton of calls in the first half including: M. Thomas grabbing Dunbar's facemask, a false start by A. Kamara, and several holds on Kerrigan. It was like they wanted to make sure Brees got the record in the first half.

I have also been reluctant and have been giving Jay every benefit of the doubt, but I'm here now as well. I hated all those years of a new coach every 2 or 3 years, but it's time to try again. To me, what Jay has shown is if he has very good pieces that fit well in his offensive "scheme"...the offense can score some points. But when he doesn't or it's simply not working, he cannot make any adjustments. His team RARELY ever comes back after getting behind, and even in close games at halftime, we never see any changes in the second half to overcome what wasn't working in the first. In just this season, they have done NOTHING in the 3rd quarter of every game!

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/09/d-j-swearinger-thinks-theres-too-much-joking-around-at-practice-in-washington/

Swearinger is right and this has been an observation by many...Gruden practice and camp is too loose.