Chico23231
12-03-2021, 09:54 AM
Limited facilities is a different type of apple (both are apples). My main concern is what is actually legal. The legality of the late term abortions that verge on infanticide is repugnant. Several thousand viable and healthy fetus's are aborted in the United States every year because of the extreme policy position the US has on abortion - Mississippi's law addresses some of that. Heck even if the Supreme Court rules that states can regulate from conception there will still be other states that permit abortions of healthy viable fetus's up to the second they would have been due (ie Vermont).
The argument that it is relatively rare holds no water with me - it being legal to abort a fetus that if delivered can live on it's own is unconscionable.
^this this this.
SunnySide
12-03-2021, 10:10 AM
In general, infants that are born very early are not considered to be viable until after 24 weeks gestation. This means that if you give birth to an infant before they are 24 weeks old, their chance of surviving is usually less than 50 percent.
Some infants are born before 24 weeks gestation and do survive. But these infants have a very high chance of severe long-term health problems. About 40 percent of these preemies will suffer long-term health complications because they were born prematurely.
https://healthcare.utah.edu/womenshealth/pregnancy-birth/preterm-birth/when-is-it-safe-to-deliver.php
If we go by viable ... it appears to be roe v wades 24 weeks. There were 638,169 abortions in 2015, less than 1% were after 24 weeks. Thats 6,381 late abortions. How many of those were for life threatening medical reasons? How many 26 week pregnant moms were in horrific car accidents or injuries?
I hope there would be 0 elective abortions after 24 weeks. Id be curious to see the number.
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Europe - never did a deep dive into their abortion laws but now I know and I was surprised. There is a push in France, Italy and some other s to reform the abortion cutoff and extend it from 12 to 14 weeks. Yes, 14 is still less than 15.
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Here’s one way of looking at the difference between abortion laws in Europe and those in the U.S.: in America, abortion laws are about morality, while in Europe, they reflect national ideas of what constitutes the common good. …
Paternalistic abortion laws are, perhaps, the flip side of generous government benefits: The government provides amply for the babies you do have, but in return it gets to quiz you about your reproductive choices.
Subsequently, while a lot of these nations have abortion laws that formally reflect Christian paternalism about reproduction and women’s roles, in practice, abortion is much easier to get than it is in the United States. You may have to provide a reason for your abortion in many nations, but it’s simply a formality, a box checked and not an obstacle. More importantly, the abortion providers aren’t being hounded out of existence and in many cases, the cost of the abortion is paid for by the state health care plan. Katha Pollitt recently elaborated in The Nation:
https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/08/abortion-in-europe-and-america-to-understand-the-difference-you-cant-ignore-religion.html
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Russia and other countries with decreasing populations are placing more restrictions on abortion.
China wants to decrease population and has liberal abortion laws.
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Israel - i read a quote yesterday that a woman's womb is the womb of Israel. Something like that.
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20 weeks is my line. I feel like that is when the cerebral cortex just starts to develop.
Interesting conversation, I certainly googled a lot
SunnySide
12-03-2021, 10:31 AM
The New York law allows for women after 24 weeks of pregnancy to get an abortion if “there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”
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Seems the only time a woman can get an abortion after 24 weeks is if the fetus isnt viable or moms life or health is threatened.
Are there elective abortions after 24 weeks?
Seems not.
No one is aborting a viable fetus unless it medically necessary.
mooby
12-03-2021, 10:55 AM
Something we can agree on - they are better and if Mississippi's law isn't upheld they will return to being enormously better.
BTW speaking of half truths the Politifact is being extremely deceptive thru omission. Take this for example
" Reeves relied on one analysis, but that study made no allowances for broad exceptions in countries’ laws that could extend the cutoff point for a legal abortion well past the 15-week mark."
What Politifact fails to mention is that the longest extension they are alluding to takes it to 24 weeks (the UK) with most others ranging from 16-22 weeks. And again that is with extenuating circumstances. You know the ones that don't even begin to be considered in the US until 24 weeks.
I'm sorry, what percentage of American abortions are performed in the third trimester due to non-medical reasons (i.e. the mother doesn't want the baby)?
BaltimoreSkins
12-03-2021, 11:45 AM
Yeah i posted that at like 9 am. Yet here i am.
Completely off topic but is Rave the only female on this site? It would be really weird if one if you was a female and I just didn’t realize it. I have these ideas in my head about what you all look like, and act like outside this forum. Man there are some people that must think of some Jersey douchebag when they imagine me. LOL. That would be a good thread.
This is my mental image of ya'll
Punch
https://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080313&t=2&i=3512258&w=&fh=545px&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=2008-03-13T185723Z_01_N13316429_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0
Chico
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwfT1CBFdRPfv1VF8t94x1XNXJ2x6c1 E194Q&usqp=CAU
Sunny
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/files/2015/03/ediblesmarijuana_406x250.jpg
Cred
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1079416589366247424/hqK6-ryF_400x400.jpg
G1
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V_KORtWKT8c/U4CyVeQ34nI/AAAAAAAABbc/H--tEEfpMFM/s1600/Sleeping+old+man.JPG
Jamf
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/8146jV27woL._AC_UY445_.jpg
Matty
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/14578484/2011/12/jerry-seinfeld.jpg?w=420&h=316&crop=1
Nonniey
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0Y1doWcfHOc/maxresdefault.jpg
SD
https://www.californiabeaches.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mbv_7-4-15_1026-sm-906x700.jpg
Mooby
https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/clerks-2-moobys.jpg
punch it in
12-03-2021, 11:49 AM
This is my mental image of ya'll
Punch
https://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080313&t=2&i=3512258&w=&fh=545px&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=2008-03-13T185723Z_01_N13316429_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0
Chico
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwfT1CBFdRPfv1VF8t94x1XNXJ2x6c1 E194Q&usqp=CAU
Sunny
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/files/2015/03/ediblesmarijuana_406x250.jpg
Cred
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1079416589366247424/hqK6-ryF_400x400.jpg
G1
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V_KORtWKT8c/U4CyVeQ34nI/AAAAAAAABbc/H--tEEfpMFM/s1600/Sleeping+old+man.JPG
Jamf
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/8146jV27woL._AC_UY445_.jpg
Matty
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/14578484/2011/12/jerry-seinfeld.jpg?w=420&h=316&crop=1
Nonniey
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0Y1doWcfHOc/maxresdefault.jpg
SD
https://www.californiabeaches.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mbv_7-4-15_1026-sm-906x700.jpg
Mooby
https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/clerks-2-moobys.jpg
IM
FUCKIN DYING RIGHT NOW. G-1 made me pee. All hysterical. Im more a hippie than a skipper but a Yankees fan no doubt.
That is some good shit.
That is definitely Jamf!
sdskinsfan2001
12-03-2021, 12:01 PM
IM
FUCKIN DYING RIGHT NOW. G-1 made me pee. All hysterical. Im more a hippie than a skipper but a Yankees fan no doubt.
That is some good shit.
That is definitely Jamf!
Lol, I need to get to the gym immediately. I have a rep to live up to.
Chico: 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣
G1: 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
punch it in
12-03-2021, 12:11 PM
Matty
https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3mZcZLCpS8EmhJD2/giphy.gif
Baltimore
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211203/0b90550ad0b83caa1d14cc4351b97041.jpg
SunnySide
12-03-2021, 12:33 PM
https://youtu.be/cZj2uR85AAE
Grainy ass video of me and my ex getting arrested for running on the field at Camden opening day
i used to get drunk and post videos and pictures on here ... good times
BaltimoreSkins
12-03-2021, 01:44 PM
IM
FUCKIN DYING RIGHT NOW. G-1 made me pee. All hysterical. Im more a hippie than a skipper but a Yankees fan no doubt.
That is some good shit.
That is definitely Jamf!
I know you don't eat meat so I tried to get Moby's Vegan For Life neck tattoo picture for you but for some reason it didn't work. For SD I really wanted the big black guy in speedo getting the vaccine but couldn't get that one either.