Supreme Court vacancy

Bro you got lunatics in the Democrat party who want abortion up too the day of birth.

U agree these are some sick fuckers, right?

Yes - it's not hard to disagree with people in your own party.

But is there room for nuance here?

Are they saying they should have the right to kill a 9 month old fetus just because they feel like it? Or are they saying they should have access to late term abortions in the event of a medical emergency involving the life of the fetus or the mother? Big difference between the two.

The second trimester marks the onset of other critical reflexes: continuous breathing movements (that is, rhythmic contractions of the diaphragm and chest muscles) and coordinated sucking and swallowing reflexes. These abilities are controlled by the brainstem, which sits above the spinal cord but below the higher, more recently-evolved cerebral cortex. The brainstem is responsible for many of our body’s most vital functions–heart rate, breathing, and blood pressure. It is largely mature by the end of the second trimester, which is when babies first become able to survive outside the womb.

Last of all to mature is the cerebral cortex, which is responsible for most of what we think of as mental life–conscious experience, voluntary actions, thinking, remembering, and feeling. It has only begun to function around the time gestation comes to an end.

https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/1375-when-does-the-fetus-s-brain-begin-to-work

The second trimester of pregnancy is often called the "golden period" because many of the unpleasant effects of early pregnancy disappear. During the second trimester, you're likely to experience decreased nausea, better sleep patterns and an increased energy level. However, you may experience a whole new set of symptoms, such as back pain, abdominal pain, leg cramps, constipation and heartburn.

Somewhere between 16 weeks and 20 weeks, you may feel your baby's first fluttering movements.

https://www.ucsfhealth.org/conditions/pregnancy/trimesters

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation in 2015. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/

https://jme.bmj.com/content/46/1/3

We can all have our own line and opinion of when a fetus becomes a human being. We can disagree on where that line should be but I think we all agree that it does come down to a subjective decision in the end.

I think 20 weeks is my line.

A fetus cortex isnt developed yet, its cerebral cortex doesnt begin to develop until 24 weeks. The cerebral cortex is what makes us sentient beings. Its what makes us a living animal vs a living plant or tree. A fetus cant feel pain until the cerebral cortex is beginning to develop. Fetal movement in response to a prode is not fetal pain.

I view the religious rights push to ban abortion to be strictly based in their religious beliefs. The "life begins at conception" is not an honest argument based on science but a religious view point being used to try and guide laws and legislature.

For the religious right .. its not about science. Its about pushing their religious view points on all of us.

Keep your religion out of my government, man.

Stop trying to bring science into my faith man. What has science ever done for us that blind faith hasn't?

Yes - it's not hard to disagree with people in your own party.

But is there room for nuance here?

Are they saying they should have the right to kill a 9 month old fetus just because they feel like it? Or are they saying they should have access to late term abortions in the event of a medical emergency involving the life of the fetus or the mother? Big difference between the two.

It's so Biden can harvest and eat the baby

DUH

It's so Biden can harvest and eat the baby

DUH


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Has the fed mandated every citizen get vaccinated?

Or did they add it to the already long list of requirements if you want to work for the fed?

Every job I've ever worked mandated a physical, drug test, etc. a covid vaccine is just one more hurdle you gotta pass through. If you don't want to get vaccinated - don't. Just don't expect to work in any public service sector.


The right likes a nice balance of oppression and crying about their civil liberties.

Biden has to bulk up so he can battle JFK Jr upon his return

It's so Biden can harvest and eat the baby

DUH

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Live footage of all you guys combining:

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My goodness, y'all on some good ones this morning.

Feinstein then outright asked Kavanaugh what he meant by “settled law” and whether he believed Roe v. Wade to be correct law. Kavanaugh said he believed it was “settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court” and should be “entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis,” the notion that precedents should not be overturned without strong reason.

“And one of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years, as you know, and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992,” Kavanaugh said then.

Shortly afterward, Feinstein interrupted Kavanaugh to note that she had sat through nine confirmation hearings for Supreme Court justices, who had expressed similar sentiments about stare decisis.

“And when the subject comes up, the person says, ‘I will follow stare decisis,’ and they get confirmed, and then, of course, they do not,” she told Kavanaugh.

Kavanaugh did not answer Feinstein directly, instead pivoting to how he understood “how passionate and how deeply people feel about this issue.” He went on at length to talk about how Planned Parenthood v. Casey had reaffirmed Roe, making it “a precedent on precedent.”

“I understand the importance of the issue. I understand the importance that people attach to the Roe v. Wade decision, to the Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision,” Kavanaugh said. “I do not live in a bubble. I understand. I live in the real world. I understand the importance of the issue.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/01/kavanaugh-who-told-senate-roe-v-wade-was-settled-precedent-signals-openness-overturning-abortion-decision/


Lets see how this plays out. No opinion is out yet.

Ignoring precedent and kicking this to the States is a political opinion.

If the SCOTUS becomes political .. it ceases to be viewed as an important independent check n balance to our 3 branch system.

Justices are supposed to follow the law, not their own deeply held religious beliefs and political ethos.

For those gnashing their teeth over Mississsippi's abortion law. You should know that its' law is in line with the vast majority of European Countries (and even still more permissive - 12-14 weeks being the norm). It's the US that is out of sync with the rest of the world on what is permissible when it comes to abortion. In other words we've implemented the extreme position of abortion legality.