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Hey man your guy did it first, so technically your guy is to blame for my guy

That’s what we’re down to basicallyRemember that when Obama was doing this there were a lot of people saying you shouldn't create this precedent. Now we're saying you created this precedent. All of us would rather the Congress, and I include Republicans and Democrats, would come to these legislative Solutions properly and through the proper form but neither side wants to work with the other. That's what's most frustrating about this at least to me. There are clearly solutions that most Americans could agree on I believe even if it means compromising on some things but the Congressional leadership is stuck pandering to the F* Trump or anti Obama groupings.

Yes. No. Sorta. I mean - it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Both Trump and Obama bear the blame individually for their own actions. At the same time, if you are the guy who opened the door, you have to own that. If you supported that guy, then you have to own that.

Obama opened the door - Democrats need to own that. Trump is charging through it - Republicans need to own that.

Let’s not pretend executive orders started with Obama, or that he should be crowned King of them. Plenty of other Presidents utilized a lot more than he did.

Sure, other Presidents used and misused the executive order process. However, prior to Obama, even the misuses were characterized as an appropriate use of executive power (explaining how existing laws would be enforced, invoking the Constitutional authority of Commander-in-Chief, etc.).

Under the Obama administration, and for the first time that I am aware, the President used executive orders with the express intent of bypassing the Constitutional process and to use the executive power to take legislative actions on a broader scale then ever before. Very simply, even though he issued fewer than most presidents before him, the breadth and scope of the orders he issued, particularly after 2016, were simply unprecedented.

http://theconversation.com/how-does-obamas-use-of-unilateral-powers-compare-to-other-presidents-65773

Let’s not pretend executive orders started with Obama, or that he should be crowned King of them. Plenty of other Presidents utilized a lot more than he did.

A pen and a phone.

Let's not pretend that Pres Obama didn't specifically call out the use of them, as a specific way of not working with the majority in congress:

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How does Obama's use of unilateral powers compare to other presidents? (http://theconversation.com/how-does-obamas-use-of-unilateral-powers-compare-to-other-presidents-65773)

these are being counted from whomever this dude is...

An executive memorandum is essentially an executive order. The difference: An executive memorandum does not have an established process for how the president issues it. Memoranda do not have to be submitted to the Federal Register and are therefore harder to track. President Obama utilized executive memorandum at least 407 times, including on DACA (the immigration policy), gun control and the overtime rule.

A pen and a phone.



Let's not pretend that Pres Obama didn't specifically call out the use of them, as a specific way of not working with the majority in congress:


I forgot about how willing Congress was to even work with him in the first place.

Trump is dealing with same thing now, except he can’t even work with a GOP controlled Congress.

An executive memorandum is essentially an executive order. The difference: An executive memorandum does not have an established process for how the president issues it. Memoranda do not have to be submitted to the Federal Register and are therefore harder to track. President Obama utilized executive memorandum at least 407 times, including on DACA (the immigration policy), gun control and the overtime rule.


^^ This +100. Executive Memos like the Dept. of Ed's "Dear Colleague Letters" fundamentally changed the how institutions of higher education had to apply their student conduct codes in ways that were, according to the courts, in direct violation of due process. It took this regulatory action with no legislative oversight and without any pre-implementation comment period.

I forgot about how willing Congress was to even work with him in the first place.

Trump is dealing with same thing now, except he can’t even work with a GOP controlled Congress.

It takes 2, I disagreed with the Republican congress then and now. It's like they simply want to cause discord.

With all that said, Pres Obama wasn't ever moving from a progressive liberal agenda - that I remember.



There is a middle ground, but the F Trumpers and the anti-Obamites blame Obama/Trump for everything and refuse to find what most citizens want.