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Chico23231
06-20-2018, 02:39 PM
I can't wait until the next Dem president issues out like 2000 executive orders cancelling everything Trump did, and completely nullifying the whole "checks and balances" thing. Trump might be changing the course of history, but he's also writing the playbook for future presidents to get shit done without Congress.

LOL you really overlooked the Obama Presidency and how he used the executive powers.

Sir, this playbook was written by Obama...hence the ease in simply ordering or revoking Trump has done. If Obama couldn't implement legislation, he by passed congress....NOT as a short term strategy BUT a long term one with executive powers. His strategy became "WE Cant Wait" and would by pass congress again and again.

I suggest you read this article from the NYT:

Shift on Executive Power Lets Obama Bypass Rivals

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/us/politics/shift-on-executive-powers-let-obama-bypass-congress.html


Stop trying to re-write history, Ive noticed this a lot lately...everything from somehow Trump was responsible for the Russia hacking during his own Election to comments like these.

Did people just blindly follow Obama without knowing what he was doing?

CRedskinsRule
06-20-2018, 03:43 PM
I think they forgot the I have a phone and a pen statement of Pres. Obama. President Obama used executive orders to bypass Congress.

MTK
06-20-2018, 04:05 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-executive-orders-trump-signed-obama-clinton-bush-2017-8

CRedskinsRule
06-20-2018, 04:20 PM
How many executive orders has Trump signed? - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-executive-orders-trump-signed-obama-clinton-bush-2017-8)

How many (it doesn't quantify) were used to specifically reverse Orders by Pres. Obama. I also wonder how many Pres Obama signed in his LAST 200 days vs his predecessors. Obama made a point of trying to bypass Congress instead of working with them (the Republicans were the obstructionists though, there is no doubt on that). Trump has repeatedly put forward the notion that Congress should pass good laws, but the Dems AND Reps are so busy playing political games that is really pathetic.

One other note, maybe Trump saw FDR signed over 3700, and he is trying to lay claim to the most EO's ever!

Chico23231
06-20-2018, 04:34 PM
Because President Obama used executive memorandums which are essential Executive orders....but are harder to track.

What about memorandums and proclamations?

An executive memorandum is essentially an executive order. The difference: An executive memorandum does not have an established process for how the president issues it. Memoranda do not have to be submitted to the Federal Register and are therefore harder to track. President Obama utilized executive memorandum at least 407 times, including on DACA (the immigration policy), gun control and the overtime rule.

Obama isn't an idiot...if he gonna skirt...he will skirt and call it something else. These werent track above.

mooby
06-20-2018, 06:58 PM
LOL you really overlooked the Obama Presidency and how he used the executive powers.

Sir, this playbook was written by Obama...hence the ease in simply ordering or revoking Trump has done. If Obama couldn't implement legislation, he by passed congress....NOT as a short term strategy BUT a long term one with executive powers. His strategy became "WE Cant Wait" and would by pass congress again and again.

I suggest you read this article from the NYT:

Shift on Executive Power Lets Obama Bypass Rivals

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/us/politics/shift-on-executive-powers-let-obama-bypass-congress.html


Stop trying to re-write history, Ive noticed this a lot lately...everything from somehow Trump was responsible for the Russia hacking during his own Election to comments like these.

Did people just blindly follow Obama without knowing what he was doing?

I'm referring to the volume sir. Obama might have started it as a response to Congress' unwillingness to do anything, but Trump doesn't have that excuse. He's treating the Presidency much like he did his business, where he's at the center of power and everything goes through him. He expects undying loyalty from everyone who works for the gov't, and rewards those that give itto him while blaming everything on those that don't.

If he loses next election and a Dem takes the seat again with a Republican majority in Congress, I expect the trend to continue.

Chico23231
06-20-2018, 08:03 PM
I'm referring to the volume sir. Obama might have started it as a response to Congress' unwillingness to do anything, but Trump doesn't have that excuse. He's treating the Presidency much like he did his business, where he's at the center of power and everything goes through him. He expects undying loyalty from everyone who works for the gov't, and rewards those that give itto him while blaming everything on those that don't.

If he loses next election and a Dem takes the seat again with a Republican majority in Congress, I expect the trend to continue.

Sir...I do believe some of these executive orders should be brought to a vote and some sort of limits placed. That goes for Obamas and trumps of the world.

JoeRedskin
06-21-2018, 11:35 AM
The abuse of executive power has been a constant stress on our republican govt. (small r) since its inception. However, Obama simply took it to another level saying: "Okay, if Congress won't pass laws I like, I will bypass the Constitutional process and implement the policies I like by fiat." Anyone who had to deal with the EEOC or other federal watchdogs knows exactly how abusive this process was.

In higher education based on "Dear Colleague Letters" from the Education Department, entire codes of conduct were rewritten, burdens of prove lightened, etc. The result was that many institutions had to go to huge expense by the Executive branch saying "Do it our way or we cut off your funding, investigate your every action in the subject area regardless of whether it is related to specific complaint brought to us, and blacklist you so that your enrollment drops." All without any legislative oversight. It was a ridiculous abuse of the executive power and resulted in many, many terrible consequences for individuals and institutions.

I said then and I say now, Obama and the left paved the way for Trump's abuses. By saying, "We don't need no stinking Congress," they steamrolled through the very procedures that they now seek to invoke.

Chico23231
06-21-2018, 11:57 AM
its humorous that the left will do anything to protect/rewrite the Obama legacy...they fail to acknowledge any of the many failures.

Clearly Obama paved the way with the abusive executive powers...

MTK
06-21-2018, 02:38 PM
Hey man your guy did it first, so technically your guy is to blame for my guy

That’s what we’re down to basically

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