CRedskinsRule
02-23-2018, 07:48 PM
Yup, guns > our children too apparently
20 years of this senseless shit and no real changesThat's more BS and part of the reason discussion becomes so hard. We all want our children safe. The approach and ideas of what works is where we differ.
As for the 20 years. The country has moved more and more towards gun free zones "safe" spaces and stricter regulations and what we have gotten is more and more devastating attacks.
Maybe we try to stop politicizing and demonizing the other side and listen to both sides for ideas and rationales.
There is a reason police forces are armed, a reason why private security firms exist. We defend politicians and executives with armed guards, metal detectors, and security checks of individuals. But those aren't worth considering for our kids because guns are bad.
There are solutions that can include gun laws but there are 0 solutions that only have gun laws.
Dan73
02-23-2018, 08:19 PM
That's more BS and part of the reason discussion becomes so hard. We all want our children safe. The approach and ideas of what works is where we differ.
As for the 20 years. The country has moved more and more towards gun free zones "safe" spaces and stricter regulations and what we have gotten is more and more devastating attacks.
Maybe we try to stop politicizing and demonizing the other side and listen to both sides for ideas and rationales.
There is a reason police forces are armed, a reason why private security firms exist. We defend politicians and executives with armed guards, metal detectors, and security checks of individuals. But those aren't worth considering for our kids because guns are bad.
There are solutions that can include gun laws but there are 0 solutions that only have gun laws.Of course police carry guns. You have tons of citizens now armed. And now you get complaints about too many police shootings. Meanwhile other countries don't arm all police officers.
And not there has not been move to do away with guns. Back in the 90's while sanity was still around you had the assault rifle ban.
But at the same time talk radio was giving the gun manufacturers a platform to spout fear and that coupled with anti government crap especially people like Liddy saying aim for their head talking about government agents.
Your solution is more people taking up the tools to end life and harm others.
People who promote being prepared to kill others are no different than those who promote abortion as a means of birth control.
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Giantone
02-23-2018, 08:33 PM
People who promote being prepared to kill others are no different than those who promote abortion as a means of birth control.
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I hate guns but that is absurd ,stay on point.
I’m done with the excuses. 20 years of school shootings and the NRA is still in too many pockets in DC. That’s what it boils down to.
Schools can’t afford basic supplies and can’t pay teachers yet the answer is to spend money on arming and training them to shoot their students if they have to?
Please, fucking ridiculous
Dan73
02-24-2018, 07:32 AM
I hate guns but that is absurd ,stay on point.Not really. Anytime you promote the idea of killing another to protect property or wealth or to deal with a difficult situation you are floating the same idea by both groups. Just the means differ.
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Dan73
02-24-2018, 07:34 AM
I’m done with the excuses. 20 years of school shootings and the NRA is still in too many pockets in DC. That’s what it boils down to.
Schools can’t afford basic supplies and can’t pay teachers yet the answer is to spend money on arming and training them to shoot their students if they have to?
Please, fucking ridiculousI have a feeling in some states all of sudden there would be money for schools to buy guns.
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People who promote being prepared to kill others are no different than those who promote abortion as a means of birth control.
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wow lost it on this one.
Dan73
02-25-2018, 07:17 AM
wow lost it on this one.Not really both sides are really not all that different. They both feel they are morally justifiable with their views but when it comes down to it both groups have those willing to kill others to protect wealth and self.
I have always said any laws or regulations imposed on one group should have corresponding laws and regulations imposed on the other group.
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Giantone
07-09-2018, 04:30 PM
How do you defend this.............
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/toddler-2-dies-self-inflicted-gunshot-parents-not-072003414--abc-news-topstories.html
A toddler somehow got his hands on a pistol and fatally shot himself in the head in a tragic accident in Fresno, California, on Saturday.
mooby
07-09-2018, 09:55 PM
How do you defend this.............
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/toddler-2-dies-self-inflicted-gunshot-parents-not-072003414--abc-news-topstories.html
A toddler somehow got his hands on a pistol and fatally shot himself in the head in a tragic accident in Fresno, California, on Saturday.
It's the price we have to pay for the freedom to carry.
This was an interesting discussion, not sure how I missed it.
I agree, common sense gun laws are all I want. Better background checks (maybe a law saying if you've been involuntarily committed to a mental facility you can't own a gun), raise the minimum age for assault rifle ownership to 21+, and if you want to regulate guns like you regulate cars (have to pass a test to get a license) I'm all for it. That's the part of the argument "people kill people with cars too" that people forget. Cars are heavily regulated, even more so for people under 18. Why should guns be any different?