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Sorry, I thought that was acceptable practice on here...jumping to conclusions, making assumptions, and lumping people into certain categories... Maybe only one side can do that...
Is it the style we are concerned about or the function. Because there is a distinct difference.
It's the function that makes a weapon an assault rifle/weapon, not the "style".
AR doesn't equal Assault Rifle or military style weapon. It's merely a semi-automatic rifle. Can it be modified to be more dangerous - to fit the category of an assault rifle? Yes...but that is illegal.
I wasn't trying to be snarky I was just defending my position.
I know AR does not mean assault rifle.
Let me just ask this, why is it such a popular gun with mass shooters? I'm guessing it has to do with the function of it, being able to mow down many people quickly.
Chief X_Phackter 06-02-2022, 03:12 PM I wasn't trying to be snarky I was just defending my position.
I know AR does not mean assault rifle.
Let me just ask this, why is it such a popular gun with mass shooters? I'm guessing it has to do with the function of it, being able to mow down many people quickly.
Well, unless they are illegally modified, the legal AR-15 style rifle can't shoot any faster than your run of the mill Winchester semi-automatic hunting rifle - basically as fast as your finger can pull the trigger - one round per pull. However, the magazine capacity is generally higher, so a shooter can shoot more rounds without reloading than with other rifles that don't have the same capacity. Some states have put restrictions on what they have deemed "large capacity" magazines. Others have not.
All that being said, and to answer your question, the AR-15 style rifle could be popular with mass shooters because of it's capacity potential, compared to other options. But that's just my speculation.
Giantone 06-02-2022, 03:53 PM To add.............
https://news.yahoo.com/tulsa-police-gunman-bought-rifle-173926786.html
Yahoo News Video
Tulsa police: Gunman bought rifle hours before hospital shooting, targeted doctor
Thu, June 2, 2022, 1:39 PM
Officials in Tulsa, Okla., said the gunman who fatally shot four people at Saint Francis Hospital on Wednesday targeted his surgeon, blaming him for ongoing pain following a recent back surgery. Police also said the gunman bought an AR-15-style rifle hours before the killings.
- Now, we know, through the help of our ATF and their gun tracing, that at 2:00 PM on June 1, Mr Lewis purchased a semi-automatic rifle from a local gun store. That semi-automatic rifle was an AR-15-style rifle.
We know that Mr Lewis purchased a semi-automatic handgun, a 40 caliber Smith and Wesson pistol, on May 29, from a local pawn shop.
We have also found a letter on the suspect which made it clear that he came in with the intent to kill Dr. Phillips and anyone who got in his way. He blamed Dr. Phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery.
sdskinsfan2001 06-02-2022, 08:07 PM Article on Yahoo, from the NYT regarding recent mass shootings:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/disturbing-pattern-mass-shootings-young-114506454.html
Chief X_Phackter 06-02-2022, 09:51 PM Article on Yahoo, from the NYT regarding recent mass shootings:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/disturbing-pattern-mass-shootings-young-114506454.html
Man...
"Only two of the 30 deadliest mass shootings recorded from 1949 to 2017 involved gunmen younger than 21"
while
"Six of the nine deadliest mass shootings in the United States since 2018 were by people who were 21 or younger"
There's a big problem brewing here, and it's not just a guns problem people.
mooby 06-02-2022, 09:55 PM Regarding mredskins post:
Sorry Moob, but you're wrong.
The "dumb shit" is you calling me out - putting me in a bucket (you, y'all, you're people..), and then balking when I return the favor.
BTW, an AR-15 isn't an "assault rifle". Some want to label it as such, but that is not what it is.
Which one of those clearly said AR-15's or assault rifles need complete bans? I agree - nobody needs them unless you're planning on defending large territories by force. Are they useful for home defense? Perhaps you like to carry yours slung over your shoulder when you go shopping or when you pick up your kids from school - just in case fate aligns you with a mass shooter? Or maybe you don't like being inconvenienced by an extra day when your background check is being processed. Not sure - don't really care. All I care about is this faux "we care about people's mental health" bs you and other conservatives fall back on after the latest mass shooting - only to turn around and shit on Dems who actually want to do something about it next time the budget rolls around. And if it's not you specifically, it's your preferred elected leader.
The point is any one of us would settle for a compromise that doesn't involve banning a specific type of gun. But we can't even have that because the goddamn NRA and gun manufacturers have so much extra cash to spend from their beaucoup sales to scared rednecks that they can go around buying political votes.
Armalite Rifle 15 - for those who don't follow the snarky gun club terminology nerds.
nonniey 06-02-2022, 10:57 PM If you could snap your fingers and instantly eliminate one type of fire arm from public possession what kind would you pick?
A. Semi-Automatic Rifles capable of having a large magazine capacity.
B. Other types of rifles.
C. Shot Guns
D. Handguns.
sdskinsfan2001 06-03-2022, 12:10 AM If you could snap your fingers and instantly eliminate one type of fire arm from public possession what kind would you pick?
A. Semi-Automatic Rifles capable of having a large magazine capacity.
B. Other types of rifles.
C. Shot Guns
D. Handguns.
My real answer is: E. None of the above
If I absolutely had to remove 1 of the 4, I'd pick shotguns. Not because I think they're bad, but that you can replace them with other great options for self-defense/protection. I'd say they are the most easily "replaceable" for a majority of Americans.
Giantone 06-03-2022, 04:26 AM If you could snap your fingers and instantly eliminate one type of fire arm from public possession what kind would you pick?
A. Semi-Automatic Rifles capable of having a large magazine capacity.
B. Other types of rifles.
C. Shot Guns
D. Handguns.
A , no justifiable need for them, none.
Chief X_Phackter 06-03-2022, 06:56 PM Which one of those clearly said AR-15's or assault rifles need complete bans? I agree - nobody needs them unless you're planning on defending large territories by force. Are they useful for home defense? Perhaps you like to carry yours slung over your shoulder when you go shopping or when you pick up your kids from school - just in case fate aligns you with a mass shooter? Or maybe you don't like being inconvenienced by an extra day when your background check is being processed. Not sure - don't really care. All I care about is this faux "we care about people's mental health" bs you and other conservatives fall back on after the latest mass shooting - only to turn around and shit on Dems who actually want to do something about it next time the budget rolls around. And if it's not you specifically, it's your preferred elected leader.
The point is any one of us would settle for a compromise that doesn't involve banning a specific type of gun. But we can't even have that because the goddamn NRA and gun manufacturers have so much extra cash to spend from their beaucoup sales to scared rednecks that they can go around buying political votes.
Armalite Rifle 15 - for those who don't follow the snarky gun club terminology nerds.
A few of those posts clearly said AR-15's or assault rifles should be complete banned, the others were suggestive of the same. Unlike G1 though, I am pretty sure you can read, so I won't go through them one-by-one.
LOL. No, I don't carry one around, and I don't think they are any more useful for home defense than a good hand gun.
I'm not against background checks - the more extensive the better. We shouldn't just be handing guns out to anyone.
I do care about mental health, especially of our youth. It's not BS to me.
I'm not sure I have a "preferred" elected leader these days. None of them seem to be working for us anymore. But, the Dems do have control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency - and have for over a year, so I'll be looking for them to get big things done in these two years...
I wasn't actually referring to the history of the AR-15, I was referring to the fact that the AR-15 and other AR style rifles aren't considered assault rifles, because they aren't fully automatic (i.e. they aren't a machine gun). While they look like military style weapons, they function like other semi-automatic sporting firearms, because you can only fire one round each time you pull the trigger.
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