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Chief X_Phackter 06-01-2022, 05:13 PM 14 examples aren't enough huh
is there really a doubt as to what the weapon of choice is when it comes to mass shootings
Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?
The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.
mredskins 06-01-2022, 06:50 PM Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?
The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.
I will say I rather take my chances against a butter knife then a AR 15
mooby 06-01-2022, 07:20 PM Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?
The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.
The same people saying we need to do a better job with mental health are the same people cutting mental health funding and laughing at the idea of sending out mental health counselors with PD on specific calls.
I'd sure as hell rather face a mass shooter with a 9mm than an AR-15.
Honestly I don't even know why I bother. This whole fucking discussion is stupid as fuck. You and so many other conservatives are so hardline against doing anything to make AR-15's slightly less accessible to nutjobs with no criminal records - there's no point in having this discussion.
Let's start at the source! Mental health is so terrible in this country! We need to figure out why these assholes keep doing this! Oh btw - the Dems proposed a budget with too much mental health funding - and we don't want to lose the support of our voters by compromising on them with anything - so we gotta shut that shit down. Talk is cheap.
Let's arm teachers! Great - so when the cops arrive they see a guy with a gun shooting at another person with a gun! Do we hold teachers liable if a stray from them kills one of the kids they're trying to be protecting? Do they need another license to carry in schools in addition to a license to teach? What do we do when an armed teacher shoots one of their kids because they're absolutely sick and tired of their working conditions? Or they pull a gun on a parent because the parent is sick and tired of the public schools teaching BLM/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda?
I know! Let's build schools with only one accessible door from the outside! Or hire veterans to stand guard at every school every day! Nevermind you aren't even willing to fund teachers enough so they get paid fairly or have enough supplies for all their students.
Ya'll are so quick to put up any idea that doesn't involve making a gun a little harder to get. You'll do anything! Except blame the poor gun for being so goddamn easy to get. It's such a bad faith argument. I'm out. Don't bother responding.
Edit: Titus ftw
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Chief X_Phackter 06-02-2022, 12:05 AM I will say I rather take my chances against a butter knife then a AR 15
Who wouldn't?
nonniey 06-02-2022, 12:40 AM There's a theme here I just don't know what it is though
Boulder: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora Co: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
San Bernadino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway Synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15
Buffalo: AR-15
Uvalde: AR-15
Are you sure some of these weren't AR15 "style" rifles. I've seen some mass shooting reporting the use of AR style rifles (including Uvalde).
That said what sort of solutions/mitigation do you recommend? I'm conservative but am not opposed to gun regulations if they make sense.
Chief X_Phackter 06-02-2022, 12:51 AM The same people saying we need to do a better job with mental health are the same people cutting mental health funding and laughing at the idea of sending out mental health counselors with PD on specific calls.
I'd sure as hell rather face a mass shooter with a 9mm than an AR-15.
Honestly I don't even know why I bother. This whole fucking discussion is stupid as fuck. You and so many other conservatives are so hardline against doing anything to make AR-15's slightly less accessible to nutjobs with no criminal records - there's no point in having this discussion.
Let's start at the source! Mental health is so terrible in this country! We need to figure out why these assholes keep doing this! Oh btw - the Dems proposed a budget with too much mental health funding - and we don't want to lose the support of our voters by compromising on them with anything - so we gotta shut that shit down. Talk is cheap.
Let's arm teachers! Great - so when the cops arrive they see a guy with a gun shooting at another person with a gun! Do we hold teachers liable if a stray from them kills one of the kids they're trying to be protecting? Do they need another license to carry in schools in addition to a license to teach? What do we do when an armed teacher shoots one of their kids because they're absolutely sick and tired of their working conditions? Or they pull a gun on a parent because the parent is sick and tired of the public schools teaching BLM/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda?
I know! Let's build schools with only one accessible door from the outside! Or hire veterans to stand guard at every school every day! Nevermind you aren't even willing to fund teachers enough so they get paid fairly or have enough supplies for all their students.
Ya'll are so quick to put up any idea that doesn't involve making a gun a little harder to get. You'll do anything! Except blame the poor gun for being so goddamn easy to get. It's such a bad faith argument. I'm out. Don't bother responding.
I wouldn't respond except you called me out - and it's all BS.
I am not against making AR-15s or any other guns less accessible, or harder to get. It's quite clear that not everyone should own one. I'm just not for banning them completely - which is what you guys want to do.
I'm not against funding teachers. My wife is a teacher. That's just an ignorant assumption.
The one thing you said that was true is that I'll do anything except blame the gun. That is a fact. Just like I won't blame the car for running people over, or the bat for bashing someone's head in. I'll blame the person who pulled the trigger, the person who was behind the wheel, and the person who was wielding the bat - a l l d a y l o n g.
Look, we have had guns in this country for a long damn time - and way more accessible to kids than they are today.
Why do you think kids are picking them up or seeking them out and using them more today than they were in previous years?
Giantone 06-02-2022, 04:45 AM The same people saying we need to do a better job with mental health are the same people cutting mental health funding and laughing at the idea of sending out mental health counselors with PD on specific calls.
I'd sure as hell rather face a mass shooter with a 9mm than an AR-15.
Honestly I don't even know why I bother. This whole fucking discussion is stupid as fuck. You and so many other conservatives are so hardline against doing anything to make AR-15's slightly less accessible to nutjobs with no criminal records - there's no point in having this discussion.
Let's start at the source! Mental health is so terrible in this country! We need to figure out why these assholes keep doing this! Oh btw - the Dems proposed a budget with too much mental health funding - and we don't want to lose the support of our voters by compromising on them with anything - so we gotta shut that shit down. Talk is cheap.
Let's arm teachers! Great - so when the cops arrive they see a guy with a gun shooting at another person with a gun! Do we hold teachers liable if a stray from them kills one of the kids they're trying to be protecting? Do they need another license to carry in schools in addition to a license to teach? What do we do when an armed teacher shoots one of their kids because they're absolutely sick and tired of their working conditions? Or they pull a gun on a parent because the parent is sick and tired of the public schools teaching BLM/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda?
I know! Let's build schools with only one accessible door from the outside! Or hire veterans to stand guard at every school every day! Nevermind you aren't even willing to fund teachers enough so they get paid fairly or have enough supplies for all their students.
Ya'll are so quick to put up any idea that doesn't involve making a gun a little harder to get. You'll do anything! Except blame the poor gun for being so goddamn easy to get. It's such a bad faith argument. I'm out. Don't bother responding.
Great Post! +1!
Do you really believe that if we completely took away AR 15s that these mentally ill individuals won't resort to some other form of violence, that they won't gravitate towards a different weapon of choice?
The sooner we can all agree that it's not the gun's fault, the sooner we'll be able to work towards a solution to put an end to the needless violent attacks on innocent people.
What do we have to lose by trying? Gun manufacturers make a little less money? People have to find another gun to hunt with? I guess I don't see the downside if it could potentially stop children from getting killed. Isn't that worth it?
Chief X_Phackter 06-02-2022, 09:15 AM What do we have to lose by trying? Gun manufacturers make a little less money? People have to find another gun to hunt with? I guess I don't see the downside if it could potentially stop children from getting killed. Isn't that worth it?
I'm not against trying. I just disagree with that particular effort.
You say "people have to find another gun to hunt with?" But that is exactly what wackos will do too - find another gun to go shoot up a classroom or supermarket with, or resort to classroom bombs, supermarket pipe bombs, etc. In reality though, these assholes will still get their hands on AR-15s or whatever they want - illegally, because that's what criminals do. So now it's just the nefarious characters out there with AR-15s.
Oh, but it will make it harder for them to kill as many people.... BS. Where there's a will there's a way. You won't have less of these incidents until you (as Mooby said sarcastically) go to the source. Fix what it is that is making these jackoffs want to go out and kill people, establish measures to identify them before they do, make it harder or illegal for kids to buy a gun, have the most severe penalties for any gun-related offense (and actually follow through on them)...
Most everything is on the table for me, but I won't support a ban on a semi-automatic rifle. It's a cop-out, and it's a rabbit hole I'm not willing to start down.
Giantone 06-02-2022, 09:21 AM I'm not against trying. I just disagree with that particular effort.
You say "people have to find another gun to hunt with?" But that is exactly what wackos will do too - find another gun to go shoot up a classroom or supermarket with, or resort to classroom bombs, supermarket pipe bombs, etc. In reality though, these assholes will still get their hands on AR-15s or whatever they want - illegally, because that's what criminals do. So now it's just the nefarious characters out there with AR-15s.
Oh, but it will make it harder for them to kill as many people.... BS. Where there's a will there's a way. You won't have less of these incidents until you (as Mooby said sarcastically) go to the source. Fix what it is that is making these jackoffs want to go out and kill people, establish measures to identify them before they do, make it harder or illegal for kids to buy a gun, have the most severe penalties for any gun-related offense (and actually follow through on them)...
Most everything is on the table for me, but I won't support a ban on a semi-automatic rifle. It's a cop-out, and it's a rabbit hole I'm not willing to start down.
And that is the attitude will keep anything worth while from getting done.
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