Parkland Shooting

The thing I don't get is how people try to explain away the reasons why mass shootings don't happen in other countries, but they do here.

Other countries don't have the same mental health difficulties as we do? Yes they do.

Other countries aren't as racially diverse as we are? Yes, many are.

Other countries don't have pockets of poor and disadvantaged citizens? Yes they do.

Other countries don't have kids who've been bullied or had challenging upbringings? Yes they do.

What's the difference? We allow access to guns, they don't. It's not that hard.

Yeah I’m beyond tired with the it’s a mental health issue take, like we’re the only country with mental health issues or something. Also tired of the we need more good guys with guns BS. We have a gun problem simple as that.

Yeah I’m beyond tired with the it’s a mental health issue take, like we’re the only country with mental health issues or something. Also tired of the we need more good guys with guns BS. We have a gun problem simple as that.

+1 ,as the GOP has shown there will be no new gun laws, none.

+1 ,as the GOP has shown there will be no new gun laws, none.

Nope, nothing

And next time a school gets shot up it will be the same BS

These do nothing politicians just need to come out and say it, guns are more important to them than human lives, even children.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

It's just crazy': 12 major cities hit all-time homicide records

Nobody’s getting arrested anymore," Boyce said. "People are getting picked up for gun possession and they're just let out over and over again."


Imagine wanting more gun control but being in favor releasing violent offenders and not prosecuting folks caught with illegal guns.

Defund the police was a failure as well.

Wanting only gun control when a mass shooting occurs and ignoring the gun violence historical highs in the past two years…hypocritical Democrats.

Here catch up with the mass shooting archive, links the stories with info

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Also all I hear is bitching, no solutions.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

It's just crazy': 12 major cities hit all-time homicide records

Nobody’s getting arrested anymore," Boyce said. "People are getting picked up for gun possession and they're just let out over and over again."


Imagine wanting more gun control but being in favor releasing violent offenders and not prosecuting folks caught with illegal guns.

Defund the police was a failure as well.

Wanting only gun control when a mass shooting occurs and ignoring the gun violence historical highs in the past two years…hypocritical Democrats.

Here catch up with the mass shooting archive, links the stories with info

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Also all I hear is bitching, no solutions.

chico stop with all your BS you're as bad as the rest of the GOP assholes. There was no defund the Police situation in this shooting or in Buffalo, comparing these incidents to a rise in crime in the cities is fucking stupid. To blame the Dems because the GOP won't pass gun laws shows how ignorant and studed you are.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

It's just crazy': 12 major cities hit all-time homicide records

Nobody’s getting arrested anymore," Boyce said. "People are getting picked up for gun possession and they're just let out over and over again."


Imagine wanting more gun control but being in favor releasing violent offenders and not prosecuting folks caught with illegal guns.

Defund the police was a failure as well.

Wanting only gun control when a mass shooting occurs and ignoring the gun violence historical highs in the past two years…hypocritical Democrats.

Here catch up with the mass shooting archive, links the stories with info

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Also all I hear is bitching, no solutions.

chico stop with all your BS you're as bad as the rest of the GOP assholes. There was no defund the Police situation in this shooting or in Buffalo, comparing these incidents to a rise in crime in the cities is fucking stupid. To blame the Dems because the GOP won't pass gun laws shows how ignorant and stupid you are.

No, the police did not confront him and they did not have security at the school. A lotta misinformation initially, but people just trying to get answers…so I get it.

But the police response was absolutely pathetic from what I read as “what happened” unfolds.

I think maybe raising the age for semi automatic rifles to 21 would be something to think about. I really think security for schools would be another, take the money from 100 billion the teachers Union stole in the Covid bill. 1-2 year mandatory sentence for an Illegal possessed firearm.

Those are my suggestions. But I’ll be damned if I’m gonna continue to hear all this horseshit whining from the left who run the most dangerous, violence ridden shit holes in this country who refuse to prosecute daily gun crimes in their own city.

Sit the fuck down.

We just need to think a little harder... and pray a little harder. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/v0lwlq/jason_selvig_spoke_directly_to_wayne_lapierre_at/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Amen - this is fucking classic

G1 I admire you - you're like an attack dog every time Chico posts you're on it.

But I don't entirely disagree with Chico for once on this. I agree - raising the age to own a semi-automatic rifle to 21 might help. If you're 18 and you want one - great, join the military. Let a military qualified weapons master determine if you are of sound mind and maturity - if you pass boot camp you can buy a semi-auto rifle outright. If not, gotta wait until you're 21. But don't fret - if your parents own one and want to take you to go get some range practice in or whatever they are more than welcome to do so. You just can't own one outright. But the goal is to stop teenagers having a miserable life experience from going out and buying an AR-15 almost immediately after they turn 18. It's not gonna solve every mass shooting - Vegas would've still happened amongst others - but it would prevent some of them. And aren't we at least in agreement some of these can be prevented?

I also agree with Chico on illegal gun possession - if you are caught possessing a stolen gun or a gun with the serial numbers filed off - that's grounds for a 6mo-1 year minimum sentence. No evidence to back me up on this but I feel like most of the people buying stolen guns or stealing them outright have bad intentions.

Defund the police - well it's only natural Chico latches on to a theory only a small segment of liberals are vehemently promoting and then acts like all of us wholeheartedly endorse it. I'm not against taking money out of the police budget if there was a legit better cause that money needs to go to. But just taking serious money out of the budget for no reason other than cops=bad - you gotta do better than that imo.

The one thing I'd really like to know is how much the illegal gun trade contributes to gun violence in high-crime areas. How many legal gun owners are getting their shit stolen and then sold somewhere else with the serial filed off? How many murder weapons - or even guns used in a shooting and recovered later - were stolen? How many were straw purchases? How many were bought legally? How many did a kid in Chicago drive half an hour into Indiana to buy? Yes mass shootings don't negate all of the other gun violence that happens in America - but how are guns so easily accessible in the black market or via loophole?

Dan Crenshaw didn't even wait a week - he said red flag laws are off the table because there should already be laws on the books that hold criminals accountable (if they are violating the law in some manner before they go off and kill a bunch of people). I guess if you're an insane kid who said a bunch of terrible shit online - but never got criminally charged for any of it - well you can still legally buy a gun the day of your 18th birthday and then murder a bunch of kids. There's your loophole, young psychopaths who have no criminal record.

Past 10 years per year:
# of abortions per year >700,000 (assuming 1% viability rate) > 7,000 children lives lost

# of late term abortions (after 20 weeks) - *stats are less easy to find so only 2015* >17000 - 1% elective = 1,700

# of children killed/injured per year by gun violence - <1000


my point is not to negate the need for better mental health and gun laws, but much like mooby says how pro-lifers care more for the unborn than the living, I don't understand why those kids killed before birth are so much less discounted than children who have been born.

Both of these things are blights on the fabric of the US, and they are destroying our nation every day.

Past 10 years per year:
# of abortions per year >700,000 (assuming 1% viability rate) > 7,000 children lives lost

# of late term abortions (after 20 weeks) - *stats are less easy to find so only 2015* >17000 - 1% elective = 1,700

# of children killed/injured per year by gun violence - <1000


my point is not to negate the need for better mental health and gun laws, but much like mooby says how pro-lifers care more for the unborn than the living, I don't understand why those kids killed before birth are so much less discounted than children who have been born.

Both of these things are blights on the fabric of the US, and they are destroying our nation every day.

You honestly don't understand the difference between an abortion, a medical procedure and a nut job with a assault gun walking into a school and blowing away kids and Teachers?

I'm all for discussing how to keep people that have previously committed gun crimes and/or are evil and/or have mental health issues from getting guns. We also need to find, charge, and try people that make terroristic threats. Posting about shooting up a school is way worse to me than lots of things people go to jail for in this country. Those people who are found guilty either need to be sent to prison or a mandatory mental health facility.

I'm OK with raising the age to own guns to 21 as well. We have rights, but we also don't just give every right to every person at any age. There is a certain level of growth and maturity required for lots of things we do in America.

What I'm not OK with on any level, is banning any law abiding citizen of age from owning any type weapon they want. That is not right and un-American. So what if I don't "need" a semi-automatic gun. If I want one, that's my prerogative as an American under the constitution.