Government shutdown 2018

Is there going to be a wall around the whole country ,becuase unless there is ...................It's BS,33 billion dollars of BS.What about Hawaii and Alaska how do you stop "illegal immigration" in those place's???Is the wall going around FL or Me.?Thanks for the non-responsive response

The only comment in the article from Graham was this:


That is an opinion[2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge a person of rigid opinions].
It is a strong opinion from a person with a stake in the process, but nothing in those paragraphs are facts.
Your spin is not very good.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/21/lindsey_graham_outlier_stephen_miller_is_holding_u p_daca_deal.html

Thanks for the non-responsive response

Way to get around the issue by deflection,a true supporter of trump I see.

I didn't deflect. I asked for a specific example of a failed wall and you gave a answer that was basically filled with dumb comments. If you can cite 2 failed walls I will gladly debunk your obviously fallacious arguments.

Your spin is not very good.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/21/lindsey_graham_outlier_stephen_miller_is_holding_u p_daca_deal.htmlYou try to disprove my statement by linking an article that rehashes the quote I used. Makes 0 sense.

And Mooby I think that part of the overall border security provisions it would have to include electronic and personnel improvements as well as the physical wall

Is the wall worth the cost if it only keeps out immigrant refugees seeking a better life for their family? What if it barely puts a dent in cartel profits? I only say that because I believe only a small portion of drugs comes into this country via unsecured border land, i.e. on backpacks. It's not going to stop smuggling it in through legal border crossings where they hide it behind a fender, or disguise it inside a truckload of pineapples. Or when they fly it in via drone, or plane, or homemade trebuchet's. Or when they build submarines that barely go beneath the surface.

The bigger problem imo is the demand for serious drugs like meth, coke, heroin, etc. but we will only be able to face that problem when we acknowledge mental health is as serious as physical health. We're a long ways away from that.

I seriously don't understand the narrative that a wall would not make a difference. I can give examples from ancient times to modern day eastern European countries who have greatly reduced refugees with border walls. Can anyone cite an example of a wall that failed without a foreign invading army involved?

Or would anyone want to live next to a maximum security prison that had no physical walls and just video surveillance?

There are more than enough examples of working border walls throughout history. I am just interested in examples where a wall did not significantly reduce external intrusions into a country. (Again not talking about foreign army invasions)



Are you comparing Mexico to a maximum security prison? Lol.

I seriously don't understand the narrative that a wall would not make a difference. I can give examples from ancient times to modern day eastern European countries who have greatly reduced refugees with border walls. Can anyone cite an example of a wall that failed without a foreign invading army involved?

Or would anyone want to live next to a maximum security prison that had no physical walls and just video surveillance?

There are more than enough examples of working border walls throughout history. I am just interested in examples where a wall did not significantly reduce external intrusions into a country. (Again not talking about foreign army invasions)



Read this. It might make you look at the multi billion dollar wall differently.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lopez-trump-wall-09292017-story.html

I didn't deflect. I asked for a specific example of a failed wall and you gave a answer that was basically filled with dumb comments. If you can cite 2 failed walls I will gladly debunk your obviously fallacious arguments.

Yes you did .I asked you a question ,now you answer it.


Originally Posted by Giantone View Post
Is there going to be a wall around the whole country ,becuase unless there is ...................It's BS,33 billion dollars of BS.What about Hawaii and Alaska how do you stop "illegal immigration" in those place's???Is the wall going around FL or Me.?

Read this. It might make you look at the multi billion dollar wall differently.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lopez-trump-wall-09292017-story.htmlIt is an ok article, and has several good points that can and should be done in addition to the wall. What it does not do is show any evidence of a wall in any time in history that failed to reduce the number of successful border crossings.

In dealing with border security you have multiple sides to the issue. The article deals with reducing incentives to cross the borders, and we can do more on that front. The wall deals with the physical trafficking across the border and we should address that side of the issue as well.