The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

I was under the impression that we couldn't get anything for Cousins, whether if he outright walks or if the 'skins slapped the transition tag on him.

"The snag with the transition tag is that, while Washington has the option to match any offer sheet Cousins receives from other teams, the team would not get any compensation if it declines to match and Cousins leaves."
If redskins don't sign Kirk Cousins to LTD, would Transition Tag be in play? (http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/if-redskins-dont-sign-kirk-cousins-multi-year-deal-transition-tag-could-be-his)

I think they mean we would not get any compensation from other teams. It doesn't mean we wouldn't get a compensatory selection.

I think what people here are saying is a sign and trade is a possibility. Is it a slim one? I'd say yes, slim to very slim. But it is possible so therefore it's up for discussion.

But I personally think Cousins has a lot of competition and that may drive down his value. He's got 4 guys that may go the Jets, Browns, Giants and Broncos with those first few picks of the 1st. That's more of a possibility, plus there's free agent competition. All those FA guys are going to come cheaper than Cousins.

OK I can get on board with this clarification. I would call it very very very very slim. Like not at all likely. Like, don't get your hopes up in any meaningful way, that kind of likely.

But if you want to talk about it for shits and giggles then fine. I'm more interested in thinking through the realities, personally.

As for your comment on his competition, I agree. The availability of Bradford and Bridgewater, not to mention possibilities of Alex Smith, definitely muddies things for Cousins. But ultimately, Cousins is the cream of the crop so I think someone is likely to lock onto him with a high dollar offer. We're starting to see believable rumblings coming from the top beat reporter covering the Broncos that they're all in on him, even going so far as to describe how they'd clear the space (Talib) to make it happen.

I think the availability of Bradford, Bridgewater and others is plenty of reason for us to make a strong but reasonable offer and let the chips fall where they may. I don't think I'd personally support signing Cousins to a $27M per year deal when Teddy BDG might be had for $8M less.

I think they mean we would not get any compensation from other teams. It doesn't mean we wouldn't get a compensatory selection.

Oh, OK. That makes sense.

By the way I almost hope we let Cousins walk and sign Bridgewater because then I'll just go around saying

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And additionally, help me with the timing. How are you ensuring that the situation is resolved before free agency opens?

Remember, you've got to know how much cap space you have to work with when free agency opens, otherwise you can't be active in that first week.

and that's my issue...I don't know all the time...what's allowed and what's not.

First and foremost: Now if we don't want Cousins as a QB and don't offer a deal, then let him walk...but this would be the most epically poor free handling of a QB of all time. You let an asset walk at all time high value with zero in return? lol, wow...historically bad business decision. What was the point to bring him back last year with that final deal offered? poor...this is why I state I have zero faith in the decision makers.

How to get Cousins franchise tag traded:

I think you get Cousins team together asap..or when its allowed. And make him a big boy offer....Because we do want him to be our QB, right? If we make him an offer that is legit (top 1 or 2 paid QB in the league) and he hesitates, rejects it or simply says I don't want to be here...then its not about the money then clearly its about him wanting to leave. I would explain time invested and the money we have paid to him the last couple years as part of that commitment. Let him know we will allow him to negotiate with team he wants and the franchise tag applies as compensation. Allow him to negotiate a deal and we can work out compensation according to tag rules. But be firm with him...once we offered a great deal and you say no, we have officially moved on at the QB spot.

I think 'war game' stuff...you can point to San Fran moving on Jimmy G where teams simply moved on from Cousins as an option. If we wants to play the "well, I want to stay now because of the tag" after stating he wanted to leave...Point to the Josh Norman situation where Carolina released him when everyone had spent all their big bucks elsewhere late in summer. Teams aren't going to wait for Cousins, look at the draft...I guarantee 5 QBs being draft first round. Teams will not wait, they are moving on.

I would look at this as a joint venture, tell Cousins we want the best for you and we want fair compensation. Work together to quickly get it done.

Franchise QB don't hit the market very often, I would imagine 5-7 teams would line up immediately and have serious contracts prepared.

OK I can get on board with this clarification. I would call it very very very very slim. Like not at all likely. Like, don't get your hopes up in any meaningful way, that kind of likely.

But if you want to talk about it for shits and giggles then fine. I'm more interested in thinking through the realities, personally.

As for your comment on his competition, I agree. The availability of Bradford and Bridgewater, not to mention possibilities of Alex Smith, definitely muddies things for Cousins. But ultimately, Cousins is the cream of the crop so I think someone is likely to lock onto him with a high dollar offer. We're starting to see believable rumblings coming from the top beat reporter covering the Broncos that they're all in on him, even going so far as to describe how they'd clear the space (Talib) to make it happen.

I think the availability of Bradford, Bridgewater and others is plenty of reason for us to make a strong but reasonable offer and let the chips fall where they may. I don't think I'd personally support signing Cousins to a $27M per year deal when Teddy BDG might be had for $8M less.

From 13:50 to 24:30, Cooley breaks down film on Teddy BDG

http://cdn.stationcaster.com/stations/wtem/media/mpeg/01_30_18_Cooley___Kevin_HR_4-1517327971.mp3

He doesn't like him a lot. Good legs, accurate on short and medium balls, but inaccurate on deep balls, bad pocket passer, bad eyes, tends to escape the pocket too quickly when his first read isn't available, doesn't read nor react to pressure efficiently.
Cooley sees him as a 2 to 3 years project at best, not a year 1 legitimate starter.

But, he only played one full season and as you said he'd be pretty cheap, so I still doesn't hate the idea.

Him or Alex Smith and a 4-5th round QB pick behind is fine by me.
Smith would be more expensive but I think he's a bit underrated.

From 13:50 to 24:30, Cooley breaks down film on Teddy BDG

http://cdn.stationcaster.com/stations/wtem/media/mpeg/01_30_18_Cooley___Kevin_HR_4-1517327971.mp3

He doesn't like him a lot. Good legs, accurate on short and medium balls, but inaccurate on deep balls, bad pocket passer, bad eyes, tends to escape the pocket too quickly when his first read isn't available, doesn't read nor react to pressure efficiently.
Cooley sees him as a 2 to 3 years project at best, not a year 1 legitimate starter.

But, he only played one full season and as you said he'd be pretty cheap, so I still doesn't hate the idea.

Him or Alex Smith and a 4-5th round QB pick behind is fine by me.
Smith would be more expensive but I think he's a bit underrated.

I honestly believe no matter the free agent, the team that signs him also drafts a QB.

and that's my issue...I don't know all the time...what's allowed and what's not.

First and foremost: Now if we don't want Cousins as a QB and don't offer a deal, then let him walk...but this would be the most epically poor free handling of a QB of all time. You let an asset walk at all time high value with zero in return? lol, wow...historically bad business decision. What was the point to bring him back last year with that final deal offered? poor...this is why I state I have zero faith in the decision makers.

How to get Cousins franchise tag traded:

I think you get Cousins team together asap..or when its allowed. And make him a big boy offer....Because we do want him to be our QB, right? If we make him an offer that is legit (top 1 or 2 paid QB in the league) and he hesitates, rejects it or simply says I don't want to be here...then its not about the money then clearly its about him wanting to leave. I would explain time invested and the money we have paid to him the last couple years as part of that commitment. Let him know we will allow him to negotiate with team he wants and the franchise tag applies as compensation. Allow him to negotiate a deal and we can work out compensation according to tag rules. But be firm with him...once we offered a great deal and you say no, we have officially moved on at the QB spot.

I think 'war game' stuff...you can point to San Fran moving on Jimmy G where teams simply moved on from Cousins as an option. If we wants to play the "well, I want to stay now because of the tag" after stating he wanted to leave...Point to the Josh Norman situation where Carolina released him when everyone had spent all their big bucks elsewhere late in summer. Teams aren't going to wait for Cousins, look at the draft...I guarantee 5 QBs being draft first round. Teams will not wait, they are moving on.

I would look at this as a joint venture, tell Cousins we want the best for you and we want fair compensation. Work together to quickly get it done.

Franchise QB don't hit the market very often, I would imagine 5-7 teams would line up immediately and have serious contracts prepared.

So to be clear, you're saying make your best offer, and if he says no then slap the $34M franchise tag on him, and hold onto him as long as possible to make a trade?

What if he signs the $34M the second you put the tag on him, as he's done the past two years? It's a guaranteed contract at that point. You can't release him at that point. The second he signs it you lose complete control. He gets 100% control over whether he wants to negotiate a trade with other teams or whether he wants to collect $34M from you.

To say nothing of what carrying a $34M QB does to your cap when free agency opens on March 6. It's a non starter.

We really need to brush up on what the franchise tag means, in terms of cap space, in terms of what happens when it's signed, in terms of deadlines, all of that. There seems to be so much misunderstanding that you guys are coming up with cockamamie schemes to extract value for him, but you'd actually put the Redskins even further behind the 8 ball.

From 13:50 to 24:30, Cooley breaks down film on Teddy BDG

http://cdn.stationcaster.com/stations/wtem/media/mpeg/01_30_18_Cooley___Kevin_HR_4-1517327971.mp3

He doesn't like him a lot. Good legs, accurate on short and medium balls, but inaccurate on deep balls, bad pocket passer, bad eyes, tends to escape the pocket too quickly when his first read isn't available, doesn't read nor react to pressure efficiently.
Cooley sees him as a 2 to 3 years project at best, not a year 1 legitimate starter.

But, he only played one full season and as you said he'd be pretty cheap, so I still doesn't hate the idea.

Him or Alex Smith and a 4-5th round QB pick behind is fine by me.
Smith would be more expensive but I think he's a bit underrated.

Yeah I'm not necessarily sold on Teddy, I just like saying Teddy BDG.

I'd be worried about how he bounces back from the knee.

So to be clear, you're saying make your best offer, and if he says no then slap the $34M franchise tag on him, and hold onto him as long as possible to make a trade?

What if he signs the $34M the second you put the tag on him, as he's done the past two years? It's a guaranteed contract at that point. You can't release him at that point. The second he signs it you lose complete control. He gets 100% control over whether he wants to negotiate a trade with other teams or whether he wants to collect $34M from you.

To say nothing of what carrying a $34M QB does to your cap when free agency opens on March 6. It's a non starter.

We really need to brush up on what the franchise tag means, in terms of cap space, in terms of what happens when it's signed, in terms of deadlines, all of that. There seems to be so much misunderstanding that you guys are coming up with cockamamie schemes to extract value for him, but you'd actually put the Redskins even further behind the 8 ball.

Redskins put the Redskins further behind the 8 ball...hence my original thought to why unlikely. Its pattern unfortunately.