Jay Gruden expected to return in 2018

What is your solution? What action should the team take based on the week 17 giants game?

Same thing as every game. Make an evaluation in context with the other games. Don't just blow it off, and make sure the players know every game is important to building a winning culture. I agree with your post above. If you really need to inspire your players, you need different players.

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If he hits the market, would you rather have Tomlin right now??

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-owners-reportedly-lobbying-art-rooney-to-fire-mike-tomlin-after-playoff-debacle/

Originally Posted by skinsfan69 View Post
Gruden has been a hc for 4 years and still can't manage the clock.

Andy Reid says hold my beer bro

And Tomlin pulled this shit for a chance to go to the AFC Championship game:

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This decision was a killer.

Its subjective, but still vet coaches still struggle with clock management.

Yes, I would. It's not debatable either, Tomlin is better than Gruden.

Did Tomlin win with a team he built? I can't remember if that Cards game was with him there long enough?

Yes, I would. It's not debatable either, Tomlin is better than Gruden.

Tomlin has been/is stacked with maybe the most talent in the league over the last 4 years...he's been a major disappointment.

And the fact he been talking about the Patriots like an obsession this year...I think its a terrible example to his team bc they turn around I did the same thing.

If Im a Pitttsturd fan, Im not happy with the Coach or the teams attitude.

Ill say this, if Todd "the Tequila Cowboy" Haley gets let go, Id rather hire him than Tomlin.

Tomlin is definitely overrated, Steelers fans have wanted to move on for a while, granted fans always see their own situation in a much more negative light than outsiders do

Did Tomlin win with a team he built? I can't remember if that Cards game was with him there long enough?

Cowher retired after '06, Tomlin won the SB in his 2nd year with the team. I think that's enough time to give him credit for it.

S/N I also believe this discussion is pointless, even if Bill B. was on the market we wouldn't go after him due to Gruden's extension. Not sure it would sent the right message to the players either.

Tomlin is definitely overrated, Steelers fans have wanted to move on for a while, granted fans always see their own situation in a much more negative light than outsiders do

116-60 record is very good but he is also in a historically bad division.

8-7 playoff record tells more of the story IMO, BUT He did win a SB (cowhers team) but still he did win one.

Jon Gruden didn't have this good a record and people think he's god.

Tomlin has also never had a losing season, that is even more impressive because Ben has missed games.

I'd take him over Jay in a heartbeat, he at least gambles more than not...

4&1 on the 40? Jay is punting 95% of the time.

Plus he's from VA, be kinda cool to have a coach from the area.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TomlMi0.htm