Net Neutrality

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over the mountain
12-14-2017, 12:54 PM
Still not sure how a former Verizon lawyer/exec can be chosen to lead the FCC .. thanks Trump.

Thats like a guy who doesnt believe in carbon emissions being selected to lead the branch that regulates carbon emissions.

Or a lady who doesnt believe in supporting public schools chosen to lead public schools.

CRedskinsRule
12-14-2017, 01:47 PM
CR, what do you think you’ll stand to gain if net neutrality goes away? Will this be a win for consumers in any way?

As with most capitalistic intentions, IF there is competition for the high end, and also to provide the best low end levels of internet traffic, I would hope we see more innovative packaging, and more providers striving to offer better services at lower prices. Now all this also requires that we don't feed monopolies. That's the biggest risk.

I will say, much like Ma Bell had her place in laying groundwork, or as NASA had it's place in space exploration, Net Neutrality had a place at the early onset of commercial internet. There was big investment required with a very possible Bust of the market. That needs a government lift. But at this point the internet is a flourishing environment, and there are several potentials for startups to advance both the tech and packaging related to it.

CRedskinsRule
12-14-2017, 01:50 PM
One of the already existing problems is many people don't have a choice. Or they do have a choice, where one provider offers them 100 down/10 ups, and the other provider offers them 10 down/1 up. And the guy offering 100/10 literally pays to keep other providers out of the area. Google Fiber can't even expand to a lot of places because Comcast/Verizon pay a lot of money to keep them out. That's what happens when you have monopolies though, they take a lot of those profits and spend them on keeping the monopoly going.

I agree 100 percent here. That's where I support government intervention, and if others have a potential to make money they will lobby against the monopoly, but if they have no potential to differentiate themselves, they simply won't try.

mooby
12-14-2017, 02:45 PM
Still not sure how a former Verizon lawyer/exec can be chosen to lead the FCC .. thanks Trump.

Thats like a guy who doesnt believe in carbon emissions being selected to lead the branch that regulates carbon emissions.

Or a lady who doesnt believe in supporting public schools chosen to lead public schools.

I agree on the last two, but IIRC Pai wasn't a Trump decision. So really, thanks Obama?

mooby
12-14-2017, 02:48 PM
I agree 100 percent here. That's where I support government intervention, and if others have a potential to make money they will lobby against the monopoly, but if they have no potential to differentiate themselves, they simply won't try.

I just don't see this administration or FCC insisting that the Comcast/Verizon monopolies be broken up. I think it would require something so egregious on the companies' part that the gov't would have no choice but to break them up.

CRedskinsRule
12-14-2017, 02:58 PM
I just don't see this administration or FCC insisting that the Comcast/Verizon monopolies be broken up. I think it would require something so egregious on the companies' part that the gov't would have no choice but to break them up.

Isn't it more about local governments allowing consumers access? Seems like there are places that allow more ISP competition and some that allow less.

mooby
12-14-2017, 03:04 PM
Isn't it more about local governments allowing consumers access? Seems like there are places that allow more ISP competition and some that allow less.

I know there are some places where local government is trying to offer people another alternative, but big ISP's are also trying to shut that down through lobbyists. I get what you're saying and it sounds nice, but everything I read seems like big ISP money doesn't go towards offering a better product or improving infrastructure, it's mostly spent on lobbying big and small gov't to make laws and eliminate competition.

For example, approx. 100 or so Congressmen sent the FCC a letter of support for the repeal a little while ago, and the majority of them all have varying levels of donations from big ISP to their campaigns.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7xwknx/republican-members-of-congress-fcc-letter

over the mountain
12-14-2017, 03:16 PM
I agree on the last two, but IIRC Pai wasn't a Trump decision. So really, thanks Obama?

https://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2017/01/ajit-pai-fcc-chairman-233905

trump appointment.

CRedskinsRule
12-14-2017, 03:23 PM
Here is a good opinion article from Tom's Hardware, I don't think it's a political inspired piece, that goes thru net neutrality from a "hey it's not the best thing since ice cream point of view"

Net Neutrality Won't Save the Internet. Competition Will (https://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-us-internet-is-slow-and-expensive,news-26251.html)

Judging by what you might have read online, you'd think the world was about to end with the imminent rollback of existing net neutrality rules, due for a vote by the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) on Dec. 14.

The reversal would give "major corporations — like Verizon and Comcast — the power to block mobile apps, slow websites and even control which news outlets we can access," according to the ACLU.

"Comcast, Verizon and AT&T ... want to gut FCC rules and then pass bad legislation that allows extra fees, throttling & censorship," said the digital-activist group Fight for the Future.

The rule change "paves the way for an internet that works more like cable television, where wealthy insiders decide which speakers can reach a broad audience," warned the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Oh please. I oppose the FCC's proposal to reserve its 2015 decision reclassifying broadband as a utility, but the major internet service providers (ISPs) are not likely to change the way they do business as a result. They make tons of money under the existing rules, and they also made plenty of money before the rules were changed.

"If the internet was not a terrible dystopia in 2014, there's not a ton of reasons to think that companies are going to do any of these awful things that they didn't seem to have any reason to do before," said Julian Sanchez, an analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, on Wisconsin Public Radio last month.
...(emphasis mine) The rest of the article is really good.

mooby
12-14-2017, 03:39 PM
https://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2017/01/ajit-pai-fcc-chairman-233905

trump appointment.

Well I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.

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