The hypocrisy of the ________

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Chico23231
08-11-2019, 11:49 AM
chico read your last post, left this , left that .


..............chico, you're the problem.

I will slay the left and media false narratives with glee because we really should focus on the real issue and not bullshit. If you want to hold onto false narratives and lies of the media and the left then simply state what you truly want, all guns made illegal. In this case the phenomenon of the mass shooter event is the real issue we need to face.

I’m happy to slay false narratives from the right such as “more guns is the answer”

And most would say proposals such as red flag law, raising the age of assault weapon ownership as radical on the right.

BaltimoreSkins
08-11-2019, 12:21 PM
Chico every statistic I gave you has been replicated in studies. It all deals with gun homicide. We are still significantly higher rates than any other country and it is not even close. None of them include suicide. It is all gun related homicide data. If you want I can provide research papers that are all replicable in their analysis.

Mooby I agree we will not see a reinstatement of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act. I am willing to compromise on strengthened and universal background checks but I don’t think we will see it.

Chico23231
08-11-2019, 01:28 PM
It’s just really tough to compare our culture to others and say we should emulate other countries when it’s really not a true comparison. Like when Bernie says we will be just like Sweden or Denmark or whatever socialist country...these aren’t comparable, and would never work.

But as a country we have trended way down to historical lows when it comes to violent crime and gun homicides. I’m willing to do more.

The federal assault weapon ban did not work the first time...the evidence is clear.

We will never ban weapons here because it’s the Ultimate check to the government power. Just think if China and Venezuela had armed citizens, those regimes would fall.


Now you would surely support a federal 5 year mandatory for possession of illegal weapon? Because folks who shouldnt have one should be punished for possessing one?

BaltimoreSkins
08-11-2019, 10:07 PM
I agree that we are different. Culturally the constitution and the second amendment make guns a way of life in a way that is far more extreme than any other country. But I believe America is the best country in the world and while we may never have the lowest gun homicide rates for a developed country I don’t believe we have to accept our current status.

I also don’t think we should have a van on weapons just certain ones like assault weapons. You reference theban did not work I would love to see data if you have it share on that.

In terms of sentencing I would definitely be in favor of a 5 year prison sentence for possession of an illegal firearm. Mandatory? For most situations. I don’t think an adult with Down’s syndrome for example or a 13 year old should be held to those standards but an adult in the median of the bell curve no problem

Chico23231
08-12-2019, 09:11 AM
I agree that we are different. Culturally the constitution and the second amendment make guns a way of life in a way that is far more extreme than any other country. But I believe America is the best country in the world and while we may never have the lowest gun homicide rates for a developed country I don’t believe we have to accept our current status.

I also don’t think we should have a van on weapons just certain ones like assault weapons. You reference theban did not work I would love to see data if you have it share on that.

In terms of sentencing I would definitely be in favor of a 5 year prison sentence for possession of an illegal firearm. Mandatory? For most situations. I don’t think an adult with Down’s syndrome for example or a 13 year old should be held to those standards but an adult in the median of the bell curve no problem

Cool...yeah certainly some situations like that who wouldn't want to prosecute.

I also think there is an opportunity with technology in the development of "smart gun" where gun owners can only operate their own gun. Responsible gun ownership has always been a problem...too many stories of children accidently shooting themselves with owners who negligently leave guns out or guns being easily stolen only to be used in other crimes.

Chico23231
08-12-2019, 02:24 PM
First it was the Russia conspiracies, then Supreme Court conspiracies, now the Epstein conspiracies...this is why people claim the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Giantone
08-12-2019, 05:17 PM
First it was the Russia conspiracies, then Supreme Court conspiracies, now the Epstein conspiracies...this is why people claim the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Common denominator is...................?





chico what is scary is your acting more and more like trump and his stupid tweets every day.

Chico23231
08-12-2019, 06:14 PM
Common denominator is...................?





chico what is scary is your acting more and more like trump and his stupid tweets every day.

Common denominator is all outlandishly false.

Giantone
08-12-2019, 09:19 PM
Common denominator is all outlandishly false.

Epstein was falsely accused and was not friends with Bill Clinton ,Prince Andrew or.......................donnie trump. Of course he committed suicide in a high security prison after coming "OFF" a previous suicide watch:doh::banghead: . trump makes a tweet and his lap dog Barr orders an investigation? Who is floating the conspiracies the media or trump?

Giantone
08-13-2019, 08:06 AM
You start off strong but finish weak. Sorry Baltimore Skins, I think an assault rifle ban is an unattainable goal. Would it help? Sure. But I am fine settling for solutions that even Republicans could get behind.

I'll settle for improved background checks. The Dayton shooter made a rape list and a kill list in high school. How hard would it be to put a note on his permanent record mentioning that, then have it come up when he tries to buy whatever gun he used for the murders? And it's not just him, a ton of these shooters had previous red flags that were all ignored. We need a better database and a uniform system across the board that would improve background checks.

Look at the mind set were trying to change...............


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