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Giantone
10-13-2018, 12:56 PM
Trump on healthcare..........


https://www.yahoo.com/news/usa-today-publishes-fact-check-123219120.html



Politics
USA Today Publishes Fact Check Of 'Misleading' Trump Op-Ed
HuffPost Willa Frej,HuffPost Fri, Oct 12 8:32 AM EDT


A fact check of President Donald Trump’s USA Today op-ed determined that many of the assertions he made about “Medicare for All” were misleading.

Trump’s piece, published Wednesday, attacked Democrats for proposing a national “single-payer health-care system,” which, according to Trump, amounts to a socialist plot to destroy Medicare.

Initially, USA Today inserted hyperlinks directing readers to articles whose facts contradicted Trump’s claims. Taking it a step further, the editorial section Thursday published a debunking of the facts by FactCheck.org, a partner of the news outlet.

There were five main problematic points, according to the evaluation. First, the claim that the plan would “cost an astonishing $32.6 trillion during its first 10 years” doesn’t include how it would offset health-care costs for individuals, employers and state governments.

“Yes, there would be an increase in federal government spending, and an increase in taxes to pay for that,” John Holahan, the author of the Urban Institute analysis that Trump got those figures from, told USA Today. But, he said, private spending on health care would be “nearly eliminated.”

Second, the plan would not “take away benefits” from senior citizens; it specifically calls for adding more benefits, including dental, vision and hearing aids. Deductibles would also get eliminated.

Third, it’s reductionist to say that all Democrats are uniting around the act, when other bills are also in the running. Fourth, Trump hasn’t kept his promise “protect coverage for patients with pre-existing conditions” given how hard he has worked to get the Affordable Care Act ― which offers those protections ― repealed. Lastly, not all health insurance premiums are coming down, contrary to his claims.

“When we looked at premiums for the individual market recently, health care experts told us lower growth was expected for 2019 for several reasons: less political uncertainty this year compared with 2017, slower growth in medical expenses, an overpricing of plans last year, and insurers’ growing familiarity with the market,” according to the fact check

MTK
10-13-2018, 01:14 PM
lol a socialist plot to destroy a socialist program... brilliant

Back2RFK
10-22-2018, 10:24 AM
............"the attacks on them" ,no.

Just a few. Hillary talking about the ladies. "Bimbo Eruption" James Carville "“If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find,”

Back2RFK
10-22-2018, 10:29 AM
Trump on healthcare..........


https://www.yahoo.com/news/usa-today-publishes-fact-check-123219120.html



Politics
USA Today Publishes Fact Check Of 'Misleading' Trump Op-Ed
HuffPost Willa Frej,HuffPost Fri, Oct 12 8:32 AM EDT


A fact check of President Donald Trump’s USA Today op-ed determined that many of the assertions he made about “Medicare for All” were misleading.

Trump’s piece, published Wednesday, attacked Democrats for proposing a national “single-payer health-care system,” which, according to Trump, amounts to a socialist plot to destroy Medicare.

Initially, USA Today inserted hyperlinks directing readers to articles whose facts contradicted Trump’s claims. Taking it a step further, the editorial section Thursday published a debunking of the facts by FactCheck.org, a partner of the news outlet.

There were five main problematic points, according to the evaluation. First, the claim that the plan would “cost an astonishing $32.6 trillion during its first 10 years” doesn’t include how it would offset health-care costs for individuals, employers and state governments.

“Yes, there would be an increase in federal government spending, and an increase in taxes to pay for that,” John Holahan, the author of the Urban Institute analysis that Trump got those figures from, told USA Today. But, he said, private spending on health care would be “nearly eliminated.”

Second, the plan would not “take away benefits” from senior citizens; it specifically calls for adding more benefits, including dental, vision and hearing aids. Deductibles would also get eliminated.

Third, it’s reductionist to say that all Democrats are uniting around the act, when other bills are also in the running. Fourth, Trump hasn’t kept his promise “protect coverage for patients with pre-existing conditions” given how hard he has worked to get the Affordable Care Act ― which offers those protections ― repealed. Lastly, not all health insurance premiums are coming down, contrary to his claims.

“When we looked at premiums for the individual market recently, health care experts told us lower growth was expected for 2019 for several reasons: less political uncertainty this year compared with 2017, slower growth in medical expenses, an overpricing of plans last year, and insurers’ growing familiarity with the market,” according to the fact check

So we should believe the left for those numbers? The same group that said Obama care would reduce premiums $2500.

Chico23231
10-22-2018, 02:42 PM
Obamacare is and always has been a failure. My insurance went through the roof, I got lied too. I had HR tell me this was a direct result of Obamacare legislation.

mooby
10-22-2018, 03:45 PM
Obamacare is and always has been a failure. My insurance went through the roof, I got lied too. I had HR tell me this was a direct result of Obamacare legislation.

You got some pay stub evidence of that? My single-payer insurance steadily rose every year since 2008 until the time Obamacare went into effect. It still rose afterwards too but you're lying to yourself if you think an unchecked medical insurance industry isn't going to keep raising costs just because they can.

Chico23231
10-22-2018, 03:59 PM
You got some pay stub evidence of that? My single-payer insurance steadily rose every year since 2008 until the time Obamacare went into effect. It still rose afterwards too but you're lying to yourself if you think an unchecked medical insurance industry isn't going to keep raising costs just because they can.

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And I quote “if you have existing healthcare from your employer”

Giantone
10-22-2018, 06:07 PM
Obamacare is and always has been a failure. My insurance went through the roof, I got lied too. I had HR tell me this was a direct result of Obamacare legislation.

The sky is falling!!!!! The ACA was an is a good law ,it needs some fixing but my healthcare didn't change a bit ....maybe you need to learn to shop a little better or your company does.

Back2RFK
10-26-2018, 02:04 PM
You got some pay stub evidence of that? My single-payer insurance steadily rose every year since 2008 until the time Obamacare went into effect. It still rose afterwards too but you're lying to yourself if you think an unchecked medical insurance industry isn't going to keep raising costs just because they can.

I have pay stubs that show my premium went from $750 per month to $1500 when Obama Care kick in. The following year my premium went to $1800 and that's with a $6,000 deductible per person. I refused to pay that and went to a plan that does not conform to Obama care. This is the same story that all small business owners had to deal with. Larger corps were not affected as bad because of how their health insurance is rated but all policies jumped.

BaltimoreSkins
10-26-2018, 03:00 PM
How did you have health insurance that did not conform to a federal law? That seems illegal.

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