Tax bill

Really, our only hope is that Chico and the rest of his supporters will flip in 5 years when they realize the middle class cuts were only temporary and the corporate cuts were permanent. According to the analysis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/30/how-the-republican-tax-bill-benefits-the-rich-according-to-government-analysis/) in about 5 years or so (should be just enough time for Chico to forget Trump/Congress is responsible for this) the middle class will see their taxes go up.

I’m just waiting to see how the tax bill shakes out but there are certainly somethings that aren’t perfect with it. Regardless, it will never be 100% to my liking because I simply don’t blindly agree with whatever the right or left does.

Certainly if in the 5-6 years it doesn’t do a good job, then yeah everyone should be held accountable. I hope it works, just like I hoped Obamacare would work. But it didn’t work and yet nobody really wants to hold anybody accountable for that....

Speaking of Obamacare...the graphs of opioid deaths and spike prescription drug addiction as Obamacare went into effect....really interesting stuff that predictably no one wants to talk about. Correlation? Yeah certainly a story there that media has avoided.


Look, I aint mad at y’all, just trying to give you something to think about. These issues are not cut and dry or easy. Glad we have a forum to discuss

I’m just waiting to see how the tax bill shakes out but there are certainly somethings that aren’t perfect with it. Regardless, it will never be 100% to my liking because I simply don’t blindly agree with whatever the right or left does.

Certainly if in the 5-6 years it doesn’t do a good job, then yeah everyone should be held accountable. I hope it works, just like I hoped Obamacare would work. But it didn’t work and yet nobody really wants to hold anybody accountable for that....

Speaking of Obamacare...the graphs of opioid deaths and spike prescription drug addiction as Obamacare went into effect....really interesting stuff that predictably no one wants to talk about. Correlation? Yeah certainly a story there that media has avoided.


So what do the people do that are taking it up the ass from the tax bill for the next 5-6 years?Why should I have to cover the rich or corporations?

Obamacare did work,are there problems ,yes,but fix the problems don't dump the whole thing!

Chico, what fucking flavor of kool/aid are you drinking to even suggest that Obamacare had anything at all to do with a spike in drug addiction.You pull a trump move by making a suggestion that's not true at all and then blame the media for not covering something you made up? WTF???

So what do the people do that are taking it up the ass from the tax bill for the next 5-6 years?Why should I have to cover the rich or corporations?

Obamacare did work,are there problems ,yes,but fix the problems don't dump the whole thing!

Chico, what fucking flavor of kool/aid are you drinking to even suggest that Obamacare had anything at all to do with a spike in drug addiction.You pull a trump move by making a suggestion that's not true at all and then blame the media for not covering something you made up? WTF???

G1 I laughed pretty hard at your opening line. Nice one.

Obamacare worked for very, very few and didn’t do what it was supposed to do. I’m not gonna get into, but keep thinking everything is fine with it.

G1, look at the spike of opioid deaths during the obama adminstration and the addiction issues we have today. It certainly didn’t start in the obama adminstration but the healthcare legislation may have intensified and expanded the issue. I’ve read a couple things about the issue, but it’s certainly been overlooked largely by the media...I just wonder why?

I’m just waiting to see how the tax bill shakes out but there are certainly somethings that aren’t perfect with it. Regardless, it will never be 100% to my liking because I simply don’t blindly agree with whatever the right or left does.

Certainly if in the 5-6 years it doesn’t do a good job, then yeah everyone should be held accountable. I hope it works, just like I hoped Obamacare would work. But it didn’t work and yet nobody really wants to hold anybody accountable for that....

Speaking of Obamacare...the graphs of opioid deaths and spike prescription drug addiction as Obamacare went into effect....really interesting stuff that predictably no one wants to talk about. Correlation? Yeah certainly a story there that media has avoided.


Look, I aint mad at y’all, just trying to give you something to think about. These issues are not cut and dry or easy. Glad we have a forum to discuss

You are right, it's never as cut and dry as we want it to be. I'm not happy about the rise of opoid deaths either, or the rise of fentanyl, or the fact that prescription drugs seem to be the gateway to heroin abuse and everyone ignores it because script drug companies are basically untouchable now. Just not sure what the solution to it is because as long as healthcare continues to be a profitable industry like everything else in America, it will be a problem.

No ,he isn't .Chico isn't even in the same ballpark.He wants to blame someone ,anyone and so it's Obamacare and the media ,he is no different than trump.As for the media you're dead wrong on that I know they have been writing stories for years and nothing has happen. Opiods ...while tragic and sad are just the next best thing in the drug war that has been going on for years. Do I need to post the articles about dead friends and children of dead friends to prove my point?


Please enlighten me on how making sure as many Americans as possible can have health care can be responsible for the opiod crises?

Chico, ACA = Affordable Care Act ,it did what it meant to do,insure more Americans then ever before,please show me where I say it's fine? I'll wait.
Short of a Universal Health System it was better than what we had.

I think you guys know this, but I’m a finance executive at a health system in Philly. The idea that Obamacare caused, or failed to address, or exacerbated the opioid crisis is flat out asinine.

The law had a lot of flaws for sure but that is absolutely not one of them. It frankly makes about as much sense as saying the first amendment caused fake news.

I think you guys know this, but I’m a finance executive at a health system in Philly. The idea that Obamacare caused, or failed to address, or exacerbated the opioid crisis is flat out asinine.

The law had a lot of flaws for sure but that is absolutely not one of them. It frankly makes about as much sense as saying the first amendment caused fake news.

Thank you.

I think you guys know this, but I’m a finance executive at a health system in Philly. The idea that Obamacare caused, or failed to address, or exacerbated the opioid crisis is flat out asinine.

The law had a lot of flaws for sure but that is absolutely not one of them. It frankly makes about as much sense as saying the first amendment caused fake news.

Idk the correlation Chico is trying to make, but I am saying the system as its' set up (where marijuana is still frowned upon despite the growing realization it's not as addictive as prescription drugs) is a partial reason the heroin epidemic is so widespread today. I'm not going to put a percentage on it, but it's obvious there are people out there that get a prescription for some pain medication and end up switching to heroin when their habit can't be supported by their wallet. Now how much of that is people being weak-minded and not necessarily needing pain meds? Idk. But I do know it's very easy to get pain pills, whether it's on the street or through faking an injury.

Again, I don't see an answer as long as healthcare continues to be a for-profit industry. I doubt any of the large script manufacturers give two shits about the heroin epidemic as long as the shareholders/higher ups are happy.

Really, our only hope is that Chico and the rest of his supporters will flip in 5 years when they realize the middle class cuts were only temporary and the corporate cuts were permanent. According to the analysis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/30/how-the-republican-tax-bill-benefits-the-rich-according-to-government-analysis/) in about 5 years or so (should be just enough time for Chico to forget Trump/Congress is responsible for this) the middle class will see their taxes go up.

It's hilarious to me for people to knock the tax bill for changes that take effect in 5 - 10 years. The economy isn't a 5year plan that the old communists (and current ones in China) like to draw up. In 5 years, the House of Representatives will have had 2 elections, the Senate will have seen nearly 70percent of it's membership gone through elections (more if the slush fund ever becomes public). And then to say that Corporate tax cuts are permanent. The Congress doesn't work like that. They are not revoking their right to change any tax law they see fit. But of course Corporations do make plans based on stability so the corporate tax laws should be written with an eye on stability.

Fyi in 5 years, Trump will have already faced his second election - if he makes it that far - and if the economy does stay on a growth path, he certainly will argue the tax bill was a big part of it.

Idk the correlation Chico is trying to make, but I am saying the system as its' set up (where marijuana is still frowned upon despite the growing realization it's not as addictive as prescription drugs) is a partial reason the heroin epidemic is so widespread today. I'm not going to put a percentage on it, but it's obvious there are people out there that get a prescription for some pain medication and end up switching to heroin when their habit can't be supported by their wallet. Now how much of that is people being weak-minded and not necessarily needing pain meds? Idk. But I do know it's very easy to get pain pills, whether it's on the street or through faking an injury.

Again, I don't see an answer as long as healthcare continues to be a for-profit industry. I doubt any of the large script manufacturers give two shits about the heroin epidemic as long as the shareholders/higher ups are happy.

Marijuana and opioids as a method of pain relief is about as big of a false equivalency as has ever existed.