The Jay Gruden thread.

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calia
10-04-2017, 02:44 AM
Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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Good assessment. He sees the team as a meritocracy in the best sense of the word. He's not a sentimental guy; he wants results. And he also values leadership and hard work (hence, his tendency to be pretty patient with folks who seem to be working hard and have ability -- e.g., Ryan Grant).

Personally, I like the fact that he seems like a straight shooter and that he tends to be pretty succinct with his responses (but not monosyllabic or disdainful in an evasive Bellichick-speak kind of way). I also like the fact that he seems to have a sense of humor and isn't afraid to show it here and there.

Moreover, his hires of Tomsula, Callahan, Gray, and Manusky seem very solid and so he seems to have a knack for surrounding himself with some good people. (I am still smiling over the images of Tomsula stalking the sidelines during the Raiders game.)

I'm cool with Jay Gruden as coach. He seems like a genuinely good guy and I think the players play hard for him and each other.

mredskins
10-04-2017, 08:19 AM
Good coach good be great, if we lose him we are screwed because not many folks coming to DC. Thanks Jay for hanging in there!

I have said it before but this Redskin's up tick is more on Jay then McC.

MTK
10-04-2017, 09:57 AM
There’s a lot more to like about Jay as a HC than not. Hope we’re smart and keep him around for a lot longer.

Chico23231
10-04-2017, 10:32 AM
Jay is doing just fine. Really like the more physical offense he installed.

Kope
10-04-2017, 10:56 AM
Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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This.

One more point. He has shown he has a set to ownership and the FO .... without breaking rapport. Only Joe Gibbs managed that. Jay has no "Me Ego" Jay is all "Team Ego".

Keep Jay.

dmek25
10-04-2017, 11:03 AM
im pro jay. with that being said, i saw almost next to zero adjustments made after half time, on monday night. and some very bad clock management at the end of the game. it should have, at the very least, gone to OT.

rocnrik
10-04-2017, 11:20 AM
From the guy who called 0-4?

Yep I called it..tired of having expectations only to crash and burn! We looked like crap in pre season..looked not good against Philly,Won in a shoot out vs rams,Beat a over rated Raiders and lost on road vs Chiefs..so I still don't say we are great only vastly improved. the effort is there. WE could have lost the rams game..we could have won the chiefs game. We will see.

CRedskinsRule
10-04-2017, 11:24 AM
Yep I called it..tired of having expectations only to crash and burn! We looked like crap in pre season..looked not good against Philly,Won in a shoot out vs rams,Beat a over rated Raiders and lost on road vs Chiefs..so I still don't say we are great only vastly improved. the effort is there. WE could have lost the rams game..we could have won the chiefs game. We will see.

My comment was more so how do you call us to go 0-4, after 3 years of Jay's head coaching, and then say you are Pro Jay Gruden?

Now I get that we exceeded your expectations so far, but it seems like based on your expectations for the season you should be solidly for a different HC.

VirgilTibbs
10-04-2017, 12:00 PM
I don't even feel as if he is head coach material. Perhaps a good coordinator or assistant, but he sucks as a head coach. He should have never been hired and is only here because no one serious would consider the skins coaching job and Bruce Allen wanted to hook up his buddy.

He has some positves, but the negatives far outweigh them. He fails in the fundementals of calling a football game, and his game and clock management has always been poor. He continues to make the same fundamental mistakes 4years in. Many of the skins losses can be attributed not to penalties, drops, injuries or turnovers, but to his mistakes or simple mismanagement of the game clock. He's quick to throw his players under the bus in press conferences, yet rarely takes blame for his obvious blunders.

I actually think he is holding the team back and they are underachieving (So many points left on the field against the Raiders). The team looks better this year because the talent is better on defense, and the teams coordinators have improved, however Gruden will continue to be the downfall.

His playcalling is atrocious in the redzone, and he overthinks things. (Chiefs game inside their 5 yard line he runs on 2 downs and then has Cousins QB keep on 3rd down. How about throwing a fade to one your 6'4" WR's?)

He's kept Doctson in the doghouse, then finally gets him in the games but only has him targeted once or twice. Then he expects the rookie to catch the game winning td? Regardless if he caught it or not, the Chiefs would have had an oppurtunity to win the game with 2 timeouts due to Gruden leaving close to 50 seconds on the clock by calling an unnecessary timeout with 28 seconds left on the play clock. https://www.thescore.com/news/1389597

Mack Brown shows the best vision, burst and speed out of all the rbs, yet he doesn't even activate him.

The 2 most explosive offensive players on the Redskins (Thompson and Crowder) are only targeted once each all game against the Chiefs.

The team likely would be 3-1 or 4-0 with just an average head coach.

MTK
10-04-2017, 12:24 PM
Don’t feed the troll folks

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