Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan

That's why you build through the draft.

Besides, it's all about the guaranteed money anyway. It looks to me that the Redskins management is trying to pull a fast one on the guaranteed amount to compensate for their own stupidity in signing Kirk to two franchise tag deals. That's about real money, not salary cap dollars.

There is no way that Kirk and his representatives are going to let the Skins make up for the $19M they paid him last season by trying to pay him a low guaranteed amount on a new long-term deal signed prior to this season. I'd guess that about 40% of any long-term deal would need to be guaranteed to get Kirk to sign.

Yeah build through the draft great, but look at the Saints. Drew Brees is giving them their money's worth, he's great, but there's no room for error. If you don't draft perfectly you have little recourse to make up for it.

I still think Cousins will sign as long as the offer is reasonable.

Yeah build through the draft great, but look at the Saints. Drew Brees is giving them their money's worth, he's great, but there's no room for error. If you don't draft perfectly you have little recourse to make up for it.

I still think Cousins will sign as long as the offer is reasonable.

Great example with Brees...another would be the Ravens. Since Flacco signed the big contract...they've gotten worse each year as their big names have gone away.

Unfortunately that is exactly the way it works. You overpay for what you have, knowing that in a few years the salary cap inflation will make the contract seem less crazy.

Unfortunately, when you give a big QB contract, you hope that you can draft well to keep up with FA losses, since you can't afford to keep everyone. If you don't draft well, you end up like the Colts - wasting years of good QB play with a bad team.

i would agree if he was a top tier QB . . . he is NOT . . . never in the history of the NFL has a middle tier QB been the highest paid player ever . . . it will take many years before the middle tier QB's get paid that much.

Unfortunately that is exactly the way it works. You overpay for what you have, knowing that in a few years the salary cap inflation will make the contract seem less crazy.

Unfortunately, when you give a big QB contract, you hope that you can draft well to keep up with FA losses, since you can't afford to keep everyone. If you don't draft well, you end up like the Colts - wasting years of good QB play with a bad team.

People really don't understand the concept of inflation.

i would agree if he was a top tier QB . . . he is NOT . . . never in the history of the NFL has a middle tier QB been the highest paid player ever . . . it will take many years before the middle tier QB's get paid that much.

Oh really? QB salaries keep going up, but at the time, the contracts below were very expensive, Flacco is the best comparison - an average QB paid elite money..


Joe Flacco - $120 mil contract in 2014 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-breaking-down-baltimore-ravens-quarterback-joe-flaccos-1206-million-contract-20130305-story.html), $44 guaranteed, still $22 mil / year = top 4 contract currently


Andy Dalton - $115 mil contract in 2014 (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/andy-dalton-bengals-agree-to-six-year-115-million-contract/)


Brock Osweiler - $18/mil, $37 guaranteed (8th most guaranteed money in history)
Ryan Tannehil - $19.2 mil/yaer
Colin Kaepernick $126 million, avg $21/yr
Jay Cutler $126 million, avg 18/year

It simply comes down to supply and demand. There just isn't enough of a supply of above average quarterback in the league on the level of Kirk Cousins. The quarterbacks who are better than Cousins are franchise, elite quarterbacks. IMO, Cousins falls underneath that category, but is well within the potential of taking a team to the Super Bowl if that team has been well built.

Having said all of that, Cousins is worth a big contract. However, I think the Redskins should draft a quarterback next year and be prepared to not have Cousins after 2018.

Oh really? QB salaries keep going up, but at the time, the contracts below were very expensive, Flacco is the best comparison - an average QB paid elite money..


Joe Flacco - $120 mil contract in 2014 (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-breaking-down-baltimore-ravens-quarterback-joe-flaccos-1206-million-contract-20130305-story.html), $44 guaranteed, still $22 mil / year = top 4 contract currently


Andy Dalton - $115 mil contract in 2014 (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/andy-dalton-bengals-agree-to-six-year-115-million-contract/)


Brock Osweiler - $18/mil, $37 guaranteed (8th most guaranteed money in history)
Ryan Tannehil - $19.2 mil/yaer
Colin Kaepernick $126 million, avg $21/yr
Jay Cutler $126 million, avg 18/year

those are all FAR lower than he wants . . . he wants 75 million guaranteed and $25 per . . . to 6 year, $150 million, $75 guaranteed . . . that dwarfs all of the deals you just mentioned . . . nobody in the history of the nfl has had as high of a deal . . . period. look at the guaranteed on those deals too . . . cap was out of his in two years . . . a total of $36 million paid out.

give me $21 - $23 per and $50 guaranteed and i'd take it in a heart beat.

those are all FAR lower than he wants . . . he wants 75 million guaranteed and $25 per . . . to 6 year, $150 million, $75 guaranteed . . . that dwarfs all of the deals you just mentioned . . . nobody in the history of the nfl has had as high of a deal . . . period. look at the guaranteed on those deals too . . . cap was out of his in two years . . . a total of $36 million paid out.

give me $21 - $23 per and $50 guaranteed and i'd take it in a heart beat.

If those are the numbers Kirk's side is asking for, that suggests to me that the negotiations have not begun in earnest. Naturally, Kirk's side is starting off high. The numbers you suggested seem to me to be in the range of what it would take to sign Kirk to a long-term contract, if he wants to be here.

The good news is that Kirk's unresolved contract status doesn't seem to have gotten in the way of building the team during the off-season.

When are people going to understand that average to above average QB's in the NFL are going to get paid a lot of money. That's just how it is in the NFL. If you don't want to pay the premium then draft someone and let them play on their rookie deal, or go get Brian Hoyer.

When are people going to understand that average to above average QB's in the NFL are going to get paid a lot of money. That's just how it is in the NFL. If you don't want to pay the premium then draft someone and let them play on their rookie deal, or go get Brian Hoyer.

This is a great post, i 100% agree. This is the message i was trying to get across in the other Cousins thread. The Redskins might want to play "moneyball" at QB, if they get a good system in place. Draft a guy, you know you have him cheap for a few years, when he asks for starting QB money, send him packing.