Trouble in Redskins Park?

Okay, lets assume you're right and Jay didn't like it. Follow that further back, why was Scot brought here in the first place when the people doing the hiring surely knew the GM and head coach would have such fundamental differences on how a team should be run?

The only answer that I can possibly give is that in any hiring process, there are positive and negative attributes / traits to every candidate interviewed.

My first guess would be that there was obviously more "good attributes" about Scot (Draft strategy, player evaluation, etc...), than there was bad (His seattle "see something-do something" mentality". And perhaps they thought that Scot would operate within the bounds of his authority.

The person you hire has to fit the job description / duties. You can't make the job fit the person. I think in the end, to Bruce Allen and company, Scot did not fit what they wanted. And nobody ever said that Bruce Allen was particularly good at his job. What he is good at is being a Dan Snyder yes man, which is something that I feel Dan has always needed even going back to the Vinny Days. Every owner in any business wants someone like that to a certain degree.

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.




This.

What seemed like a throw away line at the end of the season is the only real evidence of a problem I have seen. And, in spite of some of the acrimony, this has been a fun and interesting off season thread to follow. I do come out of all this believing that Scot was not the saint and savior some might have thought he was, while Gruden may well be a better and certainly stronger coach than many believed he would be. Funny how that works.

But George Allen's favorite son is still the dope we thought he was. But who knows, he may well be a needed buffer from Dan Snyder. And that's important as well. Hope we hire the right man to be our next quasi GM.

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

From the same press conference FWIW:


"I feel fine. I feel good about it. I think we make Redskin decisions around here of what's best for this football team. I don't think it's Scot, I don't think it's Bruce [Allen], I don't think it's just me. I think together we make decisions and I feel really good about that. I think he listens to my input and I listen to his. Ultimately, who has the final say really doesn't matter because we're all on the same page for the most part. Any time you have a lot of people making decisions, it's very important to be on the same page and be together. When the decisions are made, it doesn't matter who makes them - we're all in and have got to do the best we can with them."

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

You make an interesting point. There is never any shortage of articles writing about our ineptitude or how bad things are. Lots of articles said specifically that Scott M was the one who wanted to sign Cousins, while Snyder and Allen was staunchly against it.

Then there was that report last week that said one of the final straws was McCloughan wanting to trade Cousins.

WHAT IF it was all BS and Allen wanted to sign Cousins since last summer but they just couldn't get the numbers right? Then sometime after Cousins catches wind of Scott M wanting to trade him, so he angrily goes up to Scott M after the Green Bay game and we have the whole "how you like me now" moment. My wife also said while watching the game that Cousins was obviously pissed and it definitely wasn't playful banter...

I still say and I said it at the time as well: When KC went up to McC and ruffled his hair after the GB game there was something more to that then just casual banter.

According to Mike Jones, McC views Kirks ceiling as somewhere less than elite. Of course Kirk doesnt like that, was feeling a little emotional after that great game he'd just had and wanted to rub it in

According to Mike Jones, McC views Kirks ceiling as somewhere less than elite. Of course Kirk doesnt like that, was feeling a little emotional after that great game he'd just had and wanted to rub it in

The point is there is a mixed message of McC and KC. It has been portray that McC has been in KC's corner the whole time and BA/DS have been the ones not sold on him but when "I" put it all together in my head "I" believe they as a group (BA DS McC) were not the biggest believers in KC.

As I have understood it: Snyder was still pissed about the RG3 situation and not ready in any way to commit to Kirk; Allen echoed Snyder's thoughts; Gruden thought they should lock in Cousins and move on to other things with a QB in place, but he wasn't going to push it hard and McC wanted to lock in Kirk to give him flexibility. Meaning maybe you have a QB to build your team around or maybe you have a QB at a "relatively" low price that can be moved more easily.

All these incidents reported in Breer's piece didn't seem like so big a deal when I first heard about them in recent weeks. But at the core of it I think is just that Scot had no real say, or at least felt like he didn't. Couldn't add his own guys to the front office and couldn't instill his "football culture"

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

I'm surprised that some people in the sports media haven't made a big deal out of this. I guess it is easier for the masses to blame everything on Snyder or Allen, however, I still feel that this was some type of power struggle between Gruden and McCloughan where Jay got the upper hand.

This reminds me of that time in San Diego, when there was a power struggle between Marty Sch. and AJ Smith, where the ownership sided with Smith and canned Marty.

The point is there is a mixed message of McC and KC. It has been portray that McC has been in KC's corner the whole time and BA/DS have been the ones not sold on him but when "I" put it all together in my head "I" believe they as a group (BA DS McC) were not the biggest believers in KC.

I dont know about Dan but as far as Bruce, Scot, and Jay go here's the way I understand it: Bruce absolutely did not want to pay Kirk, Scot wanted to but had limits based on how he viewed Kirks ceiling, and Jay just wanted Kirk locked up no matter the cost. This was in 2015 according to Mike Jones(sorry to keep going back to him but that interview on 980 was gold)...