Trouble in Redskins Park?

Who is defending the team?? I feel like we're talking in circles.

Nobody in the last five pages has defended the team. They're indefensible.

I think what you're taking as defending the team is really just several posters who are the types that look forward, not backward. I'm like that myself. Bruce Allen is a piece of shit, but McCloughan is gone, history, spilled milk. I don't cry over it. I'm more interested in what happens next with Cousins, who runs our draft board, and who gets the next GM job.

I guess I'm sensing more of a tolerance for the situation than I currently have. I've long been a defender of the DS tenure as I have simply refused to believe he was as bad others shrieked about. But I am as close as ever to having to give up. Year after year of losing is one thing. I can take bad luck and unfortunate football decisions. That's part of being a fan. The hope that one day everything will finally fall into place. But year after year of making the same mistakes because one individual is simply unable or unwilling to develop as person and that individual has absolutely no accountability. It's hard to see hope from where I stand.

While you say (as I have similarly in past said):
I'm more interested in what happens next with Cousins, who runs our draft board, and who gets the next GM job.

I now think that whatever we're presented with on a silver platter next will just be the next iteration of the con job that DS is doing on all Skins fans.

I guess I'm sensing more of a tolerance for the situation than I currently have. I've long been a defender of the DS tenure as I have simply refused to believe he was as bad others shrieked about. But I am as close as ever to having to give up. Year after year of losing is one thing. I can take bad luck and unfortunate football decisions. That's part of being a fan. The hope that one day everything will finally fall into place. But year after year of making the same mistakes because one individual is simply unable or unwilling to develop as person and that individual has absolutely no accountability. It's hard to see hope from where I stand.

While you say (as I have similarly in past said):


I now think that whatever we're presented with on a silver platter next will just be the next iteration of the con job that DS is doing on all Skins fans.

And when the draft arrives and delivers you a side of 10 draft picks, you'll eat it up.

The team handled it about as poorly as can be, but in the end there was never going to be anything other than a messy end to it?

Is there any circumstance where we would have accepted Scot leaving as anything other than the team fucking it up in some manner?

Here's a pretty scathing op-ed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/03/13/tony-kornheiser-eviscerates-the-redskins-for-their-savage-cutdown-of-a-human-being/?utm_term=.78bd81db8bf6

Nothing new, but gives the perspective I think most who are disgusted with the FO are seeing this from.

If you believe that the Redskins owner and Front office is terrible and that Snyder and Allen are really bad people then WHY would you ever root for this team again??? I don't get it..pages of post saying really bad stuff about Snyder and Allen and yet the same folks still follow the team..why not just find another team?? Snyder is not selling the team so to have that much hatred towards the man..there is no way I could root for anybody that I could not stand. Some of you hate him more than the Cowboys..or at least that is what it appears.Or are you guys jest venting frustration ?? I am confused because even though I don't like every move they make IF i detested Snyder then I would never pull for the team again.. The whole Scott deal is unfortunate I have heard/read lots of different takes on it and To be honest I don't trust the media to tell it straight..so what really happened? Did Allen back stab Scott because of EGO then blame it on his drinking??? then Snyder backs it up? IF that is truth then why would any of us want to root for this team( to root for Skins you root for Snyder)..SO which is it..are The REDSKINS a horrible franchise run by terrible people ..or is the media piling on and some fans just frustrated..because I can't pull for a team that does the things some are saying the Skins are doing..help me decide!!

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I don't dislike Snider. I wish he did things better. I do dislike Allen because he seems like such a weasley shithead. I've been a fan of this team my whole life. Can't just throw that away because I don't like 1 of the employees. And just because I don't like him, doesn't mean I don't want him to be successful. I hope they nail all 10 picks. But even if they do, my impression of him doesn't change.

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Who is defending the team?? I feel like we're talking in circles.

Nobody in the last five pages has defended the team. They're indefensible.

I think what you're taking as defending the team is really just several posters who are the types that look forward, not backward. I'm like that myself. Bruce Allen is a piece of shit, but McCloughan is gone, history, spilled milk. I don't cry over it. I'm more interested in what happens next with Cousins, who runs our draft board, and who gets the next GM job.

Don't take it personally but I feel Matt has defended the team as getting rid of a drunk who let his personal life interfere with his professional life. Whereas I feel that's not the case. It seems to me that Bruce couldn't be happy with Scot getting most of the credit for the turnaround job.

It also seems fair to think that if this was a model franchise, Scot would've had his role reduced as much as possible going forward, and then would've been released after the draft. If it truly was the drinking affecting his work, they could've worked together to make a statement about Scot stepping away from the team to get his personal affairs in order. Or if it was a case of Scot and Bruce not seeing eye to eye, announce that working together wasn't going the way they had planned it and it was best for both sides to seperate. I'd be upset but I wouldn't be nearly as upset as I am now.

As it stands now, the Redskins look like the same old shitshow we've come to know over the years. I don't care who they bring in, I have lost nearly all hope that things will ever change as long as Dan/Bruce run the show.

That's not my take at all.

I've said the team handled it as poorly as can be. The leaks are absolute bush league. Do I think McCloughan has a drinking problem? Yeah I think it's safe to say he does. Anyone denying that he's drinking is an absolute fool. By his own admission he never stopped, and it seems to be pretty common knowledge among players and reporters that he is a functioning drunk. Was that the reason for him getting fired? Probably not, it's likely a convenient excuse when the real problem stems from a power struggle between Allen and McC, and there's probably a lot more to the situation that we'll never know about.

It was a messy situation with a messy ending. I really can't think of any way it could have been resolved amicably and left the fans feeling ok with it. I don't think it's a terrible thing that Allen and McCloughan couldn't find a way to make things work, shit happens, but the way the team handled it was horrible and pretty classless.

Well said. I'm with Matty. It's not that we're not appalled, it's maybe that we're used to being appalled, and more focused on what comes next.

I am not happy but I keep more of an even keel. We haven't lost any games yet because of this mess. If we go 9-7 it will be hard for me to come down on Bruce. That's really maybe the crux of why I'm not going off the rails.

The idea of losing Kirk though would be upsetting though because it's hard to see getting back to 8-8.