Trouble in Redskins Park?

Only thing there is to post......It's a shit show fellas

It doesn't matter whoever they hire. Bruce Allen is still running the show regardless of who they say will have the "final say so". It's been a fucking lie the entire time.

pretty much...you know Dan needs a "yes" man. Snyder refuses to run a good operation

GM Scot McCloughan no longer part of Washington Redskins' calls (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18854671/gm-scot-mccloughan-no-longer-part-washington-redskins-calls)

pretty much...you know Dan needs a "yes" man. Snyder refuses to run a good operation

GM Scot McCloughan no longer part of Washington Redskins' calls (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18854671/gm-scot-mccloughan-no-longer-part-washington-redskins-calls)

I wish there was a way to fire the owner.

I'm finding it pretty amazing that even with McC not being as big of an influence as we thought, we've managed back to back winning seasons.

I'm finding it pretty amazing that even with McC not being as big of an influence as we thought, we've managed back to back winning seasons.

Define not as big of an influence as we thought. He was hired to be a talent evaluator. Sure he had the title of GM, but we knew he was being brought in specifically to evaluate talent. We also knew Gruden would be involved, (but Scot would have final say) as might Allen to an extent, although his role was more business/managing the front office related. So are we saying Scot's role in evaluating talent was minimal from the start? We just hired a strictly talent evaluator kinda guy to have a minimal role in talent evaluation? He wasn't in the negotiating room, not with Schaeffer/Allen handling that. Schaeffer probably does all the salary cap related legwork anyways, Allen was probably the final decision maker on that side. Don't take it personally Matty, but it sounds like you're trying to give Gruden/Williams/Allen most of the credit for player scouting.

Define not as big of an influence as we thought. He was hired to be a talent evaluator. Sure he had the title of GM, but we knew he was being brought in specifically to evaluate talent. We also knew Gruden would be involved, (but Scot would have final say) as might Allen to an extent, although his role was more business/managing the front office related. So are we saying Scot's role in evaluating talent was minimal from the start? We just hired a strictly talent evaluator kinda guy to have a minimal role in talent evaluation? He wasn't in the negotiating room, not with Schaeffer/Allen handling that. Schaeffer probably does all the salary cap related legwork anyways, Allen was probably the final decision maker on that side. Don't take it personally Matty, but it sounds like you're trying to give Gruden/Williams/Allen most of the credit for player scouting.

I guess I'm also with Matty in terms of maybe it is not all doom and gloom as everyone makes it out to be.

Everyone seems to want to give McC all of the credit for the improvement of the team, yet none of the blame for some of the miscues in personnel/draft. Everyone is quickly to call us a laughing stock, even though we just had back-to-back winning seasons, and have the potential of continuing to be a winning team.

Perhaps the Redskins could have handled this situation better, but if all of this has to do with McC's performance being affected by his past troubles, I can see why a lot of what has gone down, has happened.

Maybe there is some type of power struggle or at least a disagreement between Jay and Scot, and the team is going with Jay.

I hope I'm not jinxing it, but when the team goes 1-15 or has the issue that teams like Cleveland, Jacksonville, or Buffalo have had in the past season, then you can call the team a laughing stock.

If he is a glorified Scount, not sure why they need to fire him. It's just so strange.

I'm finding it pretty amazing that even with McC not being as big of an influence as we thought, we've managed back to back winning seasons.

Agree. I am not at all ready to flush the upcoming season. I am more and more OK with Gruden having a bigger role and growing our own front office as we grow our own players.

Define not as big of an influence as we thought. He was hired to be a talent evaluator. Sure he had the title of GM, but we knew he was being brought in specifically to evaluate talent. We also knew Gruden would be involved, (but Scot would have final say) as might Allen to an extent, although his role was more business/managing the front office related. So are we saying Scot's role in evaluating talent was minimal from the start? We just hired a strictly talent evaluator kinda guy to have a minimal role in talent evaluation? He wasn't in the negotiating room, not with Schaeffer/Allen handling that. Schaeffer probably does all the salary cap related legwork anyways, Allen was probably the final decision maker on that side. Don't take it personally Matty, but it sounds like you're trying to give Gruden/Williams/Allen most of the credit for player scouting.


I'm guessing his influence has diminished over time. I'm not trying to credit or discredit anyone, just saying we've gotten some good results lately and maybe it's not all due to McC.

If he is a glorified Scount, not sure why they need to fire him. It's just so strange.


Why pay a glorified scout GM money? Especially when you can just use his scouting services for a fraction of the cost.

Ultimately it comes down to this, if he has indeed let his drinking impact his work, he only has himself to blame.