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Schneed10 02-14-2017, 10:00 AM I'm with CRed, don't jump to conclusions.
You guys remember Jay's end of season press conference where he was asked about talent, he kind of took a shot saying well our first rounder this year couldn't play and our first rounder last year was a guard.
Because if I were McCloughan I would be highly, highly annoyed at that comment. Allen's muzzling of McCloughan could be working both ways, he might have also told Jay don't comment anymore to the media about player acquisition. I want all of those comments kept in house.
That's just one possible scenario. I don't doubt Mike Jones's reporting that McC has been asked to stay away from the media. But there could be a ton of reasons for that, and it may not be the whole story. I mean is it out of the realm of possibility that there's actually a legit reason to keep the comments regarding player acquisition out of the media?
We know what Mike Jones knows but we don't know what Mike Jones doesn't know. Just keep that in perspective.
Schneed10 02-14-2017, 10:02 AM If anything, this organization has been too open with the media in the past. Keeping things closer to the vest is a good thing. If there's animosity in the building, that's a bad thing, but no matter what closing ranks is always a good idea.
Bill Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time and he never says shit.
SouperMeister 02-14-2017, 11:34 AM Let's evaluate Scot's first draft after year 3. The one draft where Bruce had total control (2014) looks pretty good after 3 years: Trent Murphy (2nd), Morgan Moses (3rd), Spencer Long (3rd), and Bashaud Breeland (4th). That's 4 contributors with his top 4 picks. Preston Smith (2nd), Matt Jones (3rd), and Arie K (4th) are all picks by Scot heading into year 3.
Irrefutable 02-14-2017, 11:57 AM I do not understand the love for Scot..... the only great pick was Crowder
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Chico23231 02-14-2017, 12:06 PM I do not understand the love for Scot..... the only great pick was Crowder
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With this statement, you've given up on last year entire rookie class and you didn't mention one of the most dominant O-line in Conference.
The division title McC "rookie" year with the Skins has his stamp all over it.
I think the most damning moves have been Paea, Reyes, and Bruton Free Agent picks. Scott must do a better job with Free agents this year.
TheMalcolmConnection 02-14-2017, 12:35 PM It's weird. Scot can find absolute GEMS when someone gets hurt, but when it's planned, they've definitely been busts. Again, I love me some Scot, but he loves that 49ers/Seahawks connection and sometimes that isn't the best way to go. I can't ignore that this team has vastly improved since he got here, so he gets another 1-2 years from me before I start questioning. I strongly believe if Doctson had stayed healthy we would have been in the playoffs and he would have been a huge contributor. We have red zone woes and he would have helped a LOT. Sure, could we have taken a DT/DE in that spot, but how much of a difference would that one person have really made?
Irrefutable 02-14-2017, 12:44 PM With this statement, you've given up on last year entire rookie class and you didn't mention one of the most dominant O-line in Conference.
The division title McC "rookie" year with the Skins has his stamp all over it.
I think the most damning moves have been Paea, Reyes, and Bruton Free Agent picks. Scott must do a better job with Free agents this year.
Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.
Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.
The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.
And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.
metalskins 02-14-2017, 12:47 PM If anything, this organization has been too open with the media in the past. Keeping things closer to the vest is a good thing. If there's animosity in the building, that's a bad thing, but no matter what closing ranks is always a good idea.
Bill Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time and he never says shit.
I think if anything, teams should take New England's lead on this and just stop answering questions that the media asks. So, I agree with you 100%. Maybe this is just a move to shut the media out and keep everything in house - like it should be. Heck, back in the 80's, we didn't know anything that went on in the offseason unless it was something like a player holding out for more money. I realize the rules were different back then, but there was never any news about Joe Gibbs or any of his coaching staff before hand. You didn't know if anybody had any cross words with each other. We all assumed the coaching staff was a united front (which they probably were but we wouldn't have known anything different.)
As matter of fact, it wasn't until years later when we eventually found out that Jack Kent Cooke was about to can Joe Gibbs in his first season before being talked off the ledge. I just believe, sometimes, access to too much information is a bad thing. With ol' hoodie, he never gives you a direct answer. If he doesn't like the question, he simply doesn't answer. Even if he likes the question, he still never answers it directly. Like you said, he doesn't say shit.
metalskins 02-14-2017, 12:49 PM Last year's draft was terrible. Doctson was going to get minimal playing time if he was healthy. Cravens, there are lots of questions about... position ? Fuller meh. Matt I ? not much there.
Giving Scot credit for the O-line is quite a stretch. He drafted Scherff as a tackle. He is the only guard picked in the top 5 in a long time ...over 10 years. There are pro-bowl guards picked later in the draft. They could not run the ball on 3rd and short behind the great O-line or in the red zone.
The list of free agent busts is much longer than the three you mentioned.
And winning a very weak division is setting the bar very low.
So other than the three pick ups by Allen, name us all of the great pick ups Allen has been responsible for in his career as a GM, and compare it to all of the pick ups that McCloughan has been responsible for during his career in the NFL. You're judging by a couple years, the rest of us are judging by the body of work in a career.
SirLK26 02-14-2017, 12:50 PM I do not understand the love for Scot..... the only great pick was Crowder
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Scherff was a great pick, I dunno about taking a guard that high but he's a dominant player.
Most of the other picks are still in wait and see mode, you can't definitively judge either class yet
P.s. Austin Reiter as a 7th rounder played well for the Browns this season. Good pick, just a victim of numbers here. Also Kyshoen Jarrett was another good late round pick if not for an unfortunate injury
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