Offseason Focus: Defensive Line

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EARTHQUAKE2689
02-09-2017, 09:37 AM
If we settle and give big money to Brandon Williams, but we passed on a much better NT Snacks Harrison last year...Ive lost some respect to the front office. This make absolutely zero fucking sense.

I dont think Brendan Williams is settling, I think he and Snacks are on the same level

Chico23231
02-10-2017, 11:31 AM
I dont think Brendan Williams is settling, I think he and Snacks are on the same level

yeah...Ill take the guy. I was looking online yesterday and he was reviewed as one of the top run stuffing DT/NT in the league the last couple years. That's what we need...I don't know if he is a 3 down player. I just haven't seen him play enough to know.

Snacks is a 3 down DT and more of a disruptor. Rushes the passer, ballin out in general.

KI Skins Fan
02-10-2017, 12:08 PM
yeah...Ill take the guy. I was looking online yesterday and he was reviewed as one of the top run stuffing DT/NT in the league the last couple years. That's what we need...I don't know if he is a 3 down player. I just haven't seen him play enough to know.

Snacks is a 3 down DT and more of a disruptor. Rushes the passer, ballin out in general.

I recall that many people here posted about how stupid the NYG were to sign Harrison to a big contract. There was nobody clamoring to sign him, as I recall. Please correct me if my memory is faulty on that point. There was also some residual fear of another Fat Albert situation. The "plan" - amongst us, anyway - was to draft DL early and often. But that didn't happen.

We were not in as favorable a situation with the cap last season and our defense hadn't yet performed like a sieve against the run yet again, so there wasn't the same sense of urgency that exists this season.

This season Harrison counts $10.6M against the Giants cap and he is guaranteed $24M over the length of his contract. Apparently, the Skins didn't want to carry that kind of cap and financial burden to sign him last year.

It doesn't matter if Harrison is better than Williams because we can't choose between the two of them. We can only learn from what the Giants did to improve their DL last season. I think we can find some DL help in FA this season if Scot decides to go after one or two of them.

Chico23231
02-10-2017, 01:07 PM
I recall that many people here posted about how stupid the NYG were to sign Harrison to a big contract. There was nobody clamoring to sign him, as I recall. Please correct me if my memory is faulty on that point. There was also some residual fear of another Fat Albert situation. The "plan" - amongst us, anyway - was to draft DL early and often. But that didn't happen.

We were not in as favorable a situation with the cap last season and our defense hadn't yet performed like a sieve against the run yet again, so there wasn't the same sense of urgency that exists this season.

This season Harrison counts $10.6M against the Giants cap and he is guaranteed $24M over the length of his contract. Apparently, the Skins didn't want to carry that kind of cap and financial burden to sign him last year.

It doesn't matter if Harrison is better than Williams because we can't choose between the two of them. We can only learn from what the Giants did to improve their DL last season. I think we can find some DL help in FA this season if Scot decides to go after one or two of them.

Snacks is a damn boss...he ended our season with the play against C Thompson screen pass. And ill never forget how he effing dominated our oline 2 seasons ago when we played the Jets.

The guy is worth the money, no question. All pro last 2 seasons.

KI Skins Fan
02-10-2017, 01:19 PM
Snacks is a damn boss...he ended our season with the play against C Thompson screen pass. And ill never forget how he effing dominated our oline 2 seasons ago when we played the Jets.

The guy is worth the money, no question. All pro last 2 seasons.

Was it your position last year that we should sign him?

Defensewins
02-10-2017, 01:27 PM
I think there a serious lack of understanding the value of space eaters d lineman. Guys that will not get pushed around and hold their gap responsibility.
Everyone looks at stats like sacks and tackles behind the line and that is their determining factor on what lineman should make.
For every sack or spectacular tackle behind the line a speed guy gets, there are powerful d lineman doing the unglamorous work of occupying o lineman.
We do not have the unglamorous hard working heavy lifting space eaters.
After the miserable defense we had last seaso, we now understand their value and they need to be paid for their hard work. They are not cheap.

Chico23231
02-10-2017, 01:37 PM
Was it your position last year that we should sign him?

2/16/16:

In terms of questions, the Dline is facing a ton. Def makes for the most interesting conversation this offseason not named Cousins.

So Keim is now reporting what Tarik alBashir did a couple weeks ago...Expect a high first round pick at Dline and a younger Dline Free agent pick up.

Im bout that...I want this guy: Losing Damon Harrison would be punch in New York Jets' nose - New York Jets Blog- ESPN

Losing a nickname like Pot Roast is tough, but replacing him with "Snacks" is a win. Snacks at NT and A'Shawn Robinson at DE?

2/20/16

Sup folks...now I know McC's philosophy so I don't need a lecture...but tell me who is the guy if Snyder came to u and said "Chico, I've instructed McC to let you handle getting the difference maker with this blank check. You are Vinny for a day"

Give me your one dream free agent for the team and then after your wet dream free agent choice, give me the one realistic free agent you like to see on the team.

My dream free agent: Muhammad Wilkerson. This guy would be the stud along the dline to take the defense to the next level. I got him over Miller and Jeffery.

The more realistic is ILB Danny Trevathan. He can cover, great tackler, and can get to the running back. I got him over Marvin Jones WR and Snacks Damon Harris NT



Sup?

KI Skins Fan
02-10-2017, 01:47 PM
2/16/16:

In terms of questions, the Dline is facing a ton. Def makes for the most interesting conversation this offseason not named Cousins.

So Keim is now reporting what Tarik alBashir did a couple weeks ago...Expect a high first round pick at Dline and a younger Dline Free agent pick up.

Im bout that...I want this guy: Losing Damon Harrison would be punch in New York Jets' nose - New York Jets Blog- ESPN

Losing a nickname like Pot Roast is tough, but replacing him with "Snacks" is a win. Snacks at NT and A'Shawn Robinson at DE?

2/20/16

Sup folks...now I know McC's philosophy so I don't need a lecture...but tell me who is the guy if Snyder came to u and said "Chico, I've instructed McC to let you handle getting the difference maker with this blank check. You are Vinny for a day"

Give me your one dream free agent for the team and then after your wet dream free agent choice, give me the one realistic free agent you like to see on the team.

My dream free agent: Muhammad Wilkerson. This guy would be the stud along the dline to take the defense to the next level. I got him over Miller and Jeffery.

The more realistic is ILB Danny Trevathan. He can cover, great tackler, and can get to the running back. I got him over Marvin Jones WR and Snacks Damon Harris NT



Sup?

You knew what you were talking about! How about you picking us a good FA DL this season? I'm not sure our FO knows what they're doing.

Chico23231
02-11-2017, 09:55 AM
You knew what you were talking about! How about you picking us a good FA DL this season? I'm not sure our FO knows what they're doing.

I don't know if there is a big of impact DL player as snacks is out there in free agency. Maybe NT like Poe and or the kid from the Ravens would be good. I've mentioned b Logan before as a solid addition for a more affordable price.

Chico23231
02-13-2017, 11:49 AM
You reaching out to the Jets...after a terrible season for them..to see if a 3rd round pick for Muhammad Wilkerson would be cool?

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