What would it take?

From the article:

Administration officials said the Russians now have two battalions of the prohibited cruise missile. One is still located at Russia’s missile test site at Kapustin Yar in southern Russia near Volgograd. The other was shifted in December from that test site to an operational base elsewhere in the country, according to a senior official who did not provide further details and requested anonymity to discuss recent intelligence reports about the missile.

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.




example.....

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/37427-wikileaks-crazy-amount-of-documents-released.html

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.

There was limited coverage and very little outrage. Nobody held the administration responsible for any of ass kicking they received. Even when these were FACTUAL events.

Now, rumors and speculation our report by the media as FACT.

There's the difference.


Doesn't everyone know the FBI investigated and interviewed Flynn about the speaking with the Russians and found he didn't lie to them and didn't break any laws? We know this fact, right?

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.




example.....

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/37427-wikileaks-crazy-amount-of-documents-released.html

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

And lets not forget about our sailors that were captured by the Iranians.
That was an epic fail for Obama.
I would have had the Straits of Hormuz locked down with Aegis cruisers pointing in all directions.

I'm trying to look at this without considering past presidencies...

It is a total, 100% shit show. There is no one to blame but Trump.

In the grand scheme of everything, it's still extremely early in his presidency, but good lord, everything is falling apart and I don't think you can blame the media or blame either party. Sure (and I'm well aware of this fact) EVERYTHING he does is under the hottest microscope of all time, so it's reported on quite a bit. He's putting people who were "loyal" in positions of power; qualifications be damned.

I almost laugh when I hear some of the people he is hiring... It's like he intentionally picks the worst possible people for their jobs. There are a couple I agree with, but 80%-90% are just total head-scratchers.

I guess getting back to the question at hand, what would it take? Right now it would take a hell of a lot. I consider myself a reasonable person and I might be past changing at this point unless he does a total 180. We all know that isn't going to happen.

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era


Sorry , I disagree ,one of the greatest ..."Hell NO" ,I understand that but sorry I disagree.

And lets not forget about our sailors that were captured by the Iranians.
That was an epic fail for Obama.
I would have had the Straits of Hormuz locked down with Aegis cruisers pointing in all directions.

that was a terrible shit show...media still didn't go after the administration and the administration still gave Iran a sweetheart deal.



Could you fucking imagine if this happened with Trump in office? The media would crucify him...yet Obama, they simply looked the other way...why is that?

I don't think - this close to the transition - that you can ignore the state of affairs the last President left the current administration. Just like in the beginning of Pres. Obama's administration the economy and surrounding travesties were direct consequences of the Bush administration.

I also think the major foot dragging in the senate hasn't enabled Trump to have his full team in place nearly a month into his administration, and that leaves more empty positions to be filled.

That said, I don't think Trump's campaign transition was good. I think his focus on pushing out executive orders every other day prevented some groundwork to be laid down, and for as radical as he wanted to change many departments he didn't account for the natural inertia of bureaucracies.

And even though he knows the media is, in general, against a non-liberal agenda, he failed to account for the sway it has over the day to day mood of the country. And he gave too much value to those who thought alternative media methods could counterbalance a heavyweight like CNN when it marshall's it's resources against your agenda.