Kirk Cousins 365 thread

Smoot we all value your input, and I hesitate to ask to much because it must get annoying, but (always ignore everything before the but...) If the holdup really is in the Skins high front office, how much influence or job cred do SM and JG have to use up to get a deal pushed through. Asked another way, do you have any idea how dug in are DSBA against a long term deal?

Thanks as always for your insight.

I don't honestly know. I just know that they (Skins and Cousins) are far apart and the Redskins have not been slowly moving their number up. Now, of course, push is coming to shove so that may accelerate things

I highly question you on the trading being likely. Just doesn't make sense unless they get swept off their feet by an offer they can't refuse. I don't think any of us believe that's coming.

It's a stare down till July 15, at which point they'll meet somewhere in the middle. Probably closer to Cousins' number than the Redskins number. But they're going to come up on their offers.

The leaks to the media about Cousins wanting to play elsewhere are just too conveniently timed. I never question what you're hearing, I just question the motive for why we're hearing it.

Well, if you have no intention of signing him to a long term deal then you need to take whatever you can get because you'll end up losing him for nothing come next year. At this point KC has all the leverage really, and I doubt he signs anything less than 22-24mil/year.

You're right. But that doesn't make sense given what we know about Kirk:

- He loves familiarity
- He's had great success here
- He's well protected behind this line
- He wants to be wanted. Once the team shows its cards and ups its offer into the low $20Ms per year, he'll feel wanted.

I get that last year their numbers felt slighted, but I take a huge exception to him needing any more evidence of feeling wanted. The Skins have staked $44M to his being the qb with NO guarantee from him that he will sign a long term deal. Just to clarify, and I know you know this, without a long term deal to offset the guarantees, that will have been 44M off the top of the Skins Salary cap. Hell we were all griping when the league took 36M over 2 years. I know that 44M now is not equal to 36M then, but the point is that is a huge commitment (even the 20M was last year).

Kirk Cousins' trade value and the NFL-wide impact of the drama in D.C. - 2017 NFL offseason (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18793866/kirk-cousins-trade-value-nfl-wide-impact-drama-dc-2017-nfl-offseason)

Good read, kind of puts all in perspective.

Well, if you have no intention of signing him to a long term deal then you need to take whatever you can get because you'll end up losing him for nothing come next year. At this point KC has all the leverage really, and I doubt he signs anything less than 22-24mil/year.

I would agree, that is about the number I think they're headed to. On July 15 the cards will go on the table and they'll show pocket aces for Kirk and 7 2 unsuited for the Skins. They'll come up and it will get signed.

Basically, I think they already know that they're planning on upping their offer eventually, they're just trying to wait the 49ers out and watch them make a move at QB.

I don't honestly know. I just know that they (Skins and Cousins) are far apart and the Redskins have not been slowly moving their number up. Now, of course, push is coming to shove so that may accelerate things
Yeah but do they value him as a top 5 QB? That's the Q

If a trade happens, it's going to happen soon, obviously. I would think in the next couple of weeks. If it hasn't happened by the start of free agency, I think the 49ers will take a quarterback in free agency, even if he's a one year stop gap.

I'm just thinking one of two things will happen. Cousins is either traded or he signs a long term deal. I just don't think he plays 2017 under the tag.

I'm starting to feel better: http://m.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Allen-On-Cousins-Hes-Really-Proved-Himself/4282dc2c-4a3c-4936-bcc1-b86b6a5053f2


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Yeah but do they value him as a top 5 QB? That's the Q

That's really not the question because the contract inflation rate for NFL QB's is astronomical. The contracts of the top QB's would somehow need to be converted into today's NFL QB contract dollars to make a comparison of their contracts with Kirk's projected contract numbers.

In addition, the Skins bucked convention by not negotiating a long-term contract with Kirk before he proved himself over more than one season. I can hardly blame Skins management for that because they must have been appalled by the big deals signed by unproven QB's turned turds like Kaepernick and Osweiler. Nevertheless, they could have had Kirk at a more reasonable price if they had signed him to a long-term deal prior to last season.

My primary point here is that the Skins have waited longer to sign Kirk to a long-term deal than others have done in the past and so, due to runaway inflation in the cost of NFL QB's, they necessarily opened themselves up to having to pay Kirk much more than they would have if they had taken the conventional approach. They had to know he would cost more this season and they must have decided that it was worth the cost of waiting to find out for certain whether or not Kirk was the right QB to lead this team into the future.

If Kirk had signed a long-term contract last season, how reasonable would that deal look right now, a year from now, two years from now?