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Fair enough. I took your last statement more as "obama screwed up a good thing" than "obama had his chance to fix things".
My bad.
Edit: I think you are underestimating the toxicity and bullshit deals that started in 1980 with ole Ron, and Ill throw Clinton in that shit box too. Just so you know I dont give dems a pass.
If I had to pin it down I honestly think the toxicity started in Reagan's second term when he had started going a little senile. The clinton democrats and the bush conservatives saw it and both worked behind the scenes to gather their power bases.

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I do not see smugness from Obama but I agree with most of this.

I don't know how to phrase this, but in my opinion that "smugness" debate is all about what side of the aisle you're on. I never noticed that smugness either but then again I don't hate Obama. My coworkers have all pointed that out too, they think he has an attitude problem.

The problem I have with Trump supporters, based on my 3 immediate coworkers who are all die-hard supporters, is that they will defend him to the death on every point. Whereas they pounce on the Dems for every single slight, perceived or not.

Pussy grabbing:
Well, ya know, he said that 10 years ago. At some point you need to move on.

Defending himself on Twitter from everyday people that every President has had to put up with:
Well, ya know, you and the rest of the libs are just mad that he's willing to stand up for himself, because you're not used to that.

Building the wall:
Well, ya know, we gotta keep those freeloaders out. Of course there's ways to make Mexico pay for it. (Is there ways to make Mexico pay for it that don't make them a hostile threat to the immediate south?)

Shutting down the press room in the White House:
Well, ya know, he's just trying to fight the biased media that twists every word that comes out of his mouth (never mind the whole transparency argument)

My point is, when Obama is at fault, I don't sit here and act like everything he does is in my best interest, because it's not. I disagreed with him on the TPP bill, I semi-disagree with him on commuting Chelsea Manning's sentence, and I disagree with the extra powers he just gave to the intelligence agencies the week before he leaves office. But I ain't lying when I say my coworkers, and most of my friends on social media, have yet to disagree with a single policy, a single action, or a single anything he's done so far. All I get is "he won, you lost, get over it. We had to put up with Obama for 8 years, now it's our turn." It's like a war, and they are just mindless soldiers following company orders. Every single thing that comes out of the Dems is bad, and they need to be stopped. It's this hive-mind bs that is the real issue.

Speaking of real issues, about the only problem I have with Trump's stated plan so far is that he seems to have doubled down on deregulating everything environment related. It's pathetic that 90% of scientists are in agreement, and countries around the world are also in agreement, and yet there are still people that believe they should fight it to the death. They will be the death of us all.

4 years from now if Trump has made the EPA useless and deregulated everything in the name of corporate profit, he will essentially be flooring the gas on the car that is speeding to the destruction of our planet. Do baby boomers not give a shit about the planet because they'll be dead in 50 years, before climate change ever gets serious? I don't get it. If you think those billions of cars/trucks/trains/planes/ships/factories dating back to the industrial revolution aren't harming the environment, go stick your mouth on a tailpipe and tell me if you can safely breathe the air coming out of it. Keep in mind that's the filtered air too, it's most likely going through 2 catalytic converters to be cleaned up before it comes out the back.

You won't see me defending much from Bush-Cheney. The last 16 years have been toxic in regards to the US political environment. And a lot of terrible laws have sprouted from that manure.

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Nothing has been as toxic as the Republican party the past 8 years. This shit was at an all time high. Just listen to this shit.

History Won’t Forget How Barack Obama Was Treated | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/history-wont-forget-how-barack-obama-was-treated_us_585d7c72e4b0aee9ce8c1625?)


The problem is the media get their income from ratings and toxic news programming gets lots of ratings. That's why shitbags like Beck, Rush, Olbermann and others get off on fueling the fire. It's money in their pockets.

You can add Huffingpost, MSNBC (Rachel Maddow for example), and other liberal outputs to that list.

Sorry, The toxic media and political spin was just as bad this whole century, the only reason it seems worse is because it's one big effed up cesspool that is growing out of control.

You can add Huffingpost, MSNBC (Rachel Maddow for example), and other liberal outputs to that list.

Sorry, The toxic media and political spin was just as bad this whole century, the only reason it seems worse is because it's one big effed up cesspool that is growing out of control.

It's useless man, bailout. I had to quite reading. It doesn't matter, message was sent by the people of the country...the presidency, congress, senate, and governorships. Boom.

Backlash against the media and direction of country. They can rationalize it anyway they want...russia, Isis, terrorists, hacking our government, a culture of blame everyone for your problems except yourself, the biggest fucking national debt/budget hole of all time.......these problems flourish under the Obama administration, these aren't new issues, just the media looked the other way and wouldn't report on it. Welp, American people took notice

Well a minority of the American people did. Thank God for the bible belt bumbleheads who still made sure that the new messiah was cast down from heaven to save us all from the horrible terrorist email killer libs and their psycho fake news pussy bullshit obama crap! Yee haw!!!

I will say again. No candidate - not Trump, not Clinton - won a simple majority.of the popular vote. Trump did win a super majority of counties and a majority of congressional districts. Clinton won 2 whacko states with large populations and all the urban cities like Chicago Baltimore and DC where citizens are comfortable electing criminals (Barry and Sheila for example).

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two map views from Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/2016-election-results-maps-population-adjusted-cartogram-2016-11/#but-many-of-those-blue-counties-contain-dense-cities-resizing-counties-by-population-it-becomes-a-little-clearer-why-clinton-is-likely-to-narrowly-win-the-popular-vote-but-lose-in-the-electoral-college-5) that show the skew of the election:
by county results:
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/582c7d38ba6eb619268b458d-1200/states-themselves-are-not-monolithically-blue-or-red-heres-the-projected-winner-in-each-county-in-the-us-at-first-glance-there-are-a-handful-of-blue-islands-mostly-concentrated-along-the-coasts-surrounded-by-a-sea-of-red.jpg
and the by county results proportionalizing the counties by population.

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/582c7dd8ba6eb69a018b4902-1200/but-many-of-those-blue-counties-contain-dense-cities-resizing-counties-by-population-it-becomes-a-little-clearer-why-clinton-is-likely-to-narrowly-win-the-popular-vote-but-lose-in-the-electoral-college.jpg[/url]

Take it for what it's worth, around the country people not living in hyper condense areas of population are far more likely to vote against the democrats while high population areas are far more likely to vote for them.

Personally, I don't think it's an education thing as some like to say, as much as life conditions. The more sparsely populated an area, the more likely people tend to look to themselves first for answers and don't want outside interference, the more densely populated the more likely you are to look at an outside force (the politicals) to maintain a balance among clashes of people.

Clearly rigged. Sad!

two map views from Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/2016-election-results-maps-population-adjusted-cartogram-2016-11/#but-many-of-those-blue-counties-contain-dense-cities-resizing-counties-by-population-it-becomes-a-little-clearer-why-clinton-is-likely-to-narrowly-win-the-popular-vote-but-lose-in-the-electoral-college-5) that show the skew of the election:
by county results:
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/582c7d38ba6eb619268b458d-1200/states-themselves-are-not-monolithically-blue-or-red-heres-the-projected-winner-in-each-county-in-the-us-at-first-glance-there-are-a-handful-of-blue-islands-mostly-concentrated-along-the-coasts-surrounded-by-a-sea-of-red.jpg
and the by county results proportionalizing the counties by population.

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/582c7dd8ba6eb69a018b4902-1200/but-many-of-those-blue-counties-contain-dense-cities-resizing-counties-by-population-it-becomes-a-little-clearer-why-clinton-is-likely-to-narrowly-win-the-popular-vote-but-lose-in-the-electoral-college.jpg[/url]

Take it for what it's worth, around the country people not living in hyper condense areas of population are far more likely to vote against the democrats while high population areas are far more likely to vote for them.

Personally, I don't think it's an education thing as some like to say, as much as life conditions. The more sparsely populated an area, the more likely people tend to look to themselves first for answers and don't want outside interference, the more densely populated the more likely you are to look at an outside force (the politicals) to maintain a balance among clashes of people.

interesting Long Island went for Trump...that must be the pu$$y grabbing-eff you-New Yorkaas live