Election Day

I think the wall/DACA has a logic to both sides grandfathering in those who came here while setting physical impediments to future illegal immigration.

A second option would be to include the wall in any infrastructure bill. But rather than looking at deals the left has made intransigent positions and ridiculed those who see a different path.

I think the wall/DACA has a logic to both sides grandfathering in those who came here while setting physical impediments to future illegal immigration.

A second option would be to include the wall in any infrastructure bill. But rather than looking at deals the left has made intransigent positions and ridiculed those who see a different path.

So how does that have Mexico pay for the Wall?

So how does that have Mexico pay for the Wall?It doesn't.

But like I said it gives both political sides a win and like any compromise its not 100% what either side wants.

Just curious, what do you think of him as a person? I've always been independent with a slight left lean, but he just seems like such a terrible fucking person (I felt gross voting for Hillary too).

Just curious, what do you think of him as a person? I've always been independent with a slight left lean, but he just seems like such a terrible fucking person (I felt gross voting for Hillary too).

Best as I can tell he's the equivalent of the president from the movie Ideocracy. Not much to like about him as morals go.

That said, I believe Hillary to be a ten times worse human, and that's being polite.

It says alot about our country that those two were the headliners on the ballot and none of it is good.

Best as I can tell he's the equivalent of the president from the movie Ideocracy. Not much to like about him as morals go.

That said, I believe Hillary to be a ten times worse human, and that's being polite.

It says alot about our country that those two were the headliners on the ballot and none of it is good.

So it's kinda like the Redskins FO, it doesn't matter who the coach is because there are higher powers within fucking it all up regardless.

What exactly did Hilary do to be more reviled than an absolute piece of garbage of a human being like Trump? I’ll never really understand that.

To me it never was Hillary the person, but Hillary and her leadership role within the Obama administration where she was an absolute failure.

What exactly did Hilary do to be more reviled than an absolute piece of garbage of a human being like Trump? I’ll never really understand that.

To be clear, my main problem with Hillary was the DNC propping her up and not giving Bernie a fair shot, and the fact that she ignored the middle class. Now that she's out, my main problem is with the DNC. If half the people want Bernie and the other half want Hillary, it needs to be properly settled. Instead you had DNC committee members that didn't care if the majority of the population wanted Bernie, they were going to vote for Hillary in the primary because it was the right thing to do. But even after all that, I still think Hillary would have been the lesser of two evils. I don't think I need to explain all the problems I still have with Trump.

So it's kinda like the Redskins FO, it doesn't matter who the coach is because there are higher powers within fucking it all up regardless.

I guess. Maybe it's like the 4-3 3-4 debate, it doesn't really matter cause the swamp is going to do what they want anyway.

And on that superb segue let me explain what I think is a crucial difference in response to Matty's Goldman Sachs/swamp comment.

I think these terms Winning and Swamp have very different meanings to the population in general. I laid out what I saw as Winning but I also think I acknowledged that a Trump supporter's definition of winning, and a Trump opponent's definition of winning simply is not the same.

Likewise the definition of the swamp is not the same from what I gather in here. For me, as a Trump supporter, the swamp is that bureacratic quagmire that finds it's home in DC and the surrounding neighborhoods, and has slowly but inexorably crept into every part of our lives with impacts that are created by unelected bureacrats who dwell at their desks regardless of who the current President is or which party is in power. These are the people who have no vested interest in the well being of the nation, only in keeping their fiefdoms alive and funded. There are elected officials who feed the swamp, and they are found in both parties. When Trump talks about draining the swamp those bureacracies are what I see him referring to. Matty used the term the swamp to refer to bankers and elitists, but they aren't what I call the swamp. I do think they have their own place in hell (Funny thing is that Alexander Hamilton, who is beloved by many because of the excellent broadway play - that is coming to the Kennedy center on my birthday in case some fellow warpathers want to pitch in and get me and my daughter tickets but I digress, Alexander Hamilton would have been in Goldman Sachs without a doubt, or perhaps he would have been a modern day Fed chairman)